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Should college pitchers be pitching in the fall?
Posted on 2/16/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 2/16/19 at 3:40 pm
I wonder about the toll this takes, especially on college freshman pitchers.
Most of them started throwing around Nov of their senior year of high school. They ramp up through Dec and Jan, and start scrimmages/jamborees in early Feb. Then they really don't stop until late July.
Then they get to college campus in Aug and begin fall baseball in Sept, ending in early Nov. They get, what, 7 weeks of rest before they're throwing again in early Jan to be ready for opening day (mid-Feb).
A 6-week break between summer and fall ball, and a 7-week break between fall and spring doesn't seem like enough, especially for an 18 year-old kid who's still developing physically. I believe most MLB pitchers take 3 months off from throwing as soon as their seasons end.
Would it be better to take those HS aces, and, knowing they've probably thrown a lot of pitches in HS, use that freshman year fall to hit the weights, get on a nutrition program, run, do PFP's, watch video, and go over the mental game?
Most of them started throwing around Nov of their senior year of high school. They ramp up through Dec and Jan, and start scrimmages/jamborees in early Feb. Then they really don't stop until late July.
Then they get to college campus in Aug and begin fall baseball in Sept, ending in early Nov. They get, what, 7 weeks of rest before they're throwing again in early Jan to be ready for opening day (mid-Feb).
A 6-week break between summer and fall ball, and a 7-week break between fall and spring doesn't seem like enough, especially for an 18 year-old kid who's still developing physically. I believe most MLB pitchers take 3 months off from throwing as soon as their seasons end.
Would it be better to take those HS aces, and, knowing they've probably thrown a lot of pitches in HS, use that freshman year fall to hit the weights, get on a nutrition program, run, do PFP's, watch video, and go over the mental game?
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Posted on 2/16/19 at 4:06 pm to RidiculousHype
They don't throw every day.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 4:21 pm to RidiculousHype
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Would it be better to take those HS aces, and, knowing they've probably thrown a lot of pitches in HS, use that freshman year fall to hit the weights, get on a nutrition program, run, do PFP's, watch video, and go over the mental game?
Yeah they should consider all of those things. I'm sure they don't cover that at all during the fall. Pretty transcendent idea.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 4:38 pm to RidiculousHype
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Then they really don't stop until late July.
The LHSAA State championship was like May 11th last year. Why is a senior that is signed by a college pitching in late July?
Posted on 2/16/19 at 4:41 pm to RidiculousHype
Time to get you in front of the ncaa with these revolutionary ideas. You will change the game with these new and fresh ideas no one has ever considered or implemented 
Posted on 2/16/19 at 5:00 pm to LSUSoulja08
It’s always been weird to me just how much ball they play. You always hear of their assignments for summer ball immediately after the NCAA tourneys then fall ball then the season. It’s seem like they never stop. That’s a lot of freaking baseball. I don’t see how they don’t get burnt out playing constantly like that do. That would get old.
This post was edited on 2/16/19 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 2/16/19 at 5:14 pm to RidiculousHype
The science on pitchers and injuries is still insanely undecided. While obviously you shouldn't be going full bore every single day, it's also pretty nuts to say they should just take 3 months off from pitching during the year too
Posted on 2/16/19 at 6:47 pm to castorinho
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They don't throw every day.
Right.
I'm asking should they be throwing at all in the fall months, especially a college freshman who threw a lot of pitches the previous spring/summer.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 6:49 pm to FulshearTiger
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Yeah they should consider all of those things. I'm sure they don't cover that at all during the fall. Pretty transcendent idea.
You misunderstood my point.
My point is- if they didn't throw in Sept-Nov, they'd still have plenty to do. Obviously they already do those things in addition to throwing now.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 6:52 pm to D011ahbi11
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The LHSAA State championship was like May 11th last year. Why is a senior that is signed by a college pitching in late July?
Summer baseball, which runs from late May to July. As an example, Landon Marceaux pitched for Team USA 18U team this past summer. Those guys probably get another 30-40 innings during the summer.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:06 pm to Jcorye1
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The science on pitchers and injuries is still insanely undecided. While obviously you shouldn't be going full bore every single day, it's also pretty nuts to say they should just take 3 months off from pitching during the year too
You're right- it's a very inexact science, and what's best varies from pitcher to pitcher. I'm just questioning the conventional wisdom that all college pitchers must throw in the fall. I'm open to being proven that the conventional wisdom is correct.
A typical HS senior ace will throw 60-70 innings in the spring, then another 30-40 in the summer. If the idea is to be at your peak the following May/June, I don't know if more wear on the tires in the fall is always the best idea.
I found a pretty good writeup from a guy who trains MLB pitchers and advises 2-3 months of no throwing in the offseason: LINK
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:15 pm to RidiculousHype
No, not all. I'm pretty sure Ben McDonald would agree that college coaches ruin arms.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:19 pm to RidiculousHype
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m asking should they be throwing at all in the fall months, especially a college freshman who threw a lot of pitches the previous spring/summer
Fall practice started October 1st this past year. Pitchers are using that time to get their arm back in shape.
I'd hypothesize that if they didn't throw in the fall, you'd see more arm injuries when they started back in the spring
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:23 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I'm pretty sure any pitcher that played for Skip Bertman would agree that college coaches ruin arms
FIFY
Posted on 2/16/19 at 9:45 pm to RidiculousHype
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Should college pitchers be pitching in the fall?
It would make intrasquad scrimmages interesting if they didn't ...
Posted on 2/16/19 at 11:32 pm to RidiculousHype
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Landon Marceaux pitched for Team USA 18U team this past summer.
What’s the point of those leagues? It’s not like the teams have fans. Do they have to pay to be in those leagues? If not, who pays for that shite?
Posted on 2/16/19 at 11:50 pm to RidiculousHype
Sup Brayden.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 8:11 am to supadave3
Team USA plays against other countries and USA baseball pays for it. If you are among the elite of the elite of the elite and get to play for Team USA and represent your country then you do it
Posted on 4/25/19 at 2:15 pm to RidiculousHype
LSU is the only college team I follow - are other teams seeing the kind of arm injuries to their pitchers like LSU is?
Not that eliminating fall pitching is the answer, but things really can't get much worse than they are now. Are any college teams out there experimenting with less (or no) fall pitching for their pitchers? I'd love to see if the outcomes improve.
Not that eliminating fall pitching is the answer, but things really can't get much worse than they are now. Are any college teams out there experimenting with less (or no) fall pitching for their pitchers? I'd love to see if the outcomes improve.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 2:24 pm to RidiculousHype
Nobody cares on School side
NCAA baseball coaches only care about the W's. It's why you see guys grueling thru 140 pitches in 95 degree weather.
Guys who have thrown a ton of innings, being used and abused in regional and super regional.
And frick MLB, just like NFL, they get free minor league system to develop kids.
It's always buyers beware on College Pitchers, especially ones who are into their 3rd or 4th year in ncaa of pitching.
NCAA baseball coaches only care about the W's. It's why you see guys grueling thru 140 pitches in 95 degree weather.
Guys who have thrown a ton of innings, being used and abused in regional and super regional.
And frick MLB, just like NFL, they get free minor league system to develop kids.
It's always buyers beware on College Pitchers, especially ones who are into their 3rd or 4th year in ncaa of pitching.
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