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re: SEC babies whining about SOS and not playing OOC games is pathetic

Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:40 am to
Posted by TackySweater
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:40 am to
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Ding ding ding

Wait so you think preseasaon ranking in July dictates your SOS in December? Lol

This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 8:41 am
Posted by notsince98
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:44 am to
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Who’s doing it then AI? Aliens??It’s based on formulas created by humans, it’s not some Algebraic proof discovered by Newton


Go read up. The polls have zero impact on SoS calculations.
Posted by Mtwabp
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:49 am to
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H-Town Tiger

You’ve been noticeably absent in all the Eric bienemy threads.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:51 am to
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Wait so you think preseasaon ranking in July dictates your SOS in December? Lol


No but I think the rankings in July do have some influence on the polls throughout the season. Here an example and for this hypothetical let’s assume 2 relatively equal teams (ie not Georgia and Tulane for example) 1 team starts the season in the top 5 and another starts unranked. They both go 11-1 the team that started in the top 5 usually finishes ranked higher. Admittedly this was much worse in the past but it does have some influence.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:53 am to
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You’ve been noticeably absent in all the Eric bienemy threads.


I Commented here. Stick to the topic at hand
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:57 am to
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a very stupid SOB


Insults without any argument are a clear sign of intelligence Forrest

Counter my points. How is OOC scheduling keeping Bama and Ole Miss out of the playoff?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:05 am to
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That's not true though. SOS does matter. But not losing games also matter. Why do you think 1-loss Indiana is at #10, below multiple 2-loss teams? It's due to their weaker SOS. Why do you think 2-loss UGA is over Boise and Arizona? It's due to their SOS. When comparing 2 teams with equal number of losses, the team with a tougher SOS gets the nod. For teams with 1 more loss, the team with 1 more loss will usually still get the nod with a tougher SOS. However, when a team has 2 or more losses, having a tougher SOS will not make up the gap for losing 2 additional games. In other words, if Bama does not lose to Oklahoma, they are almost undoubtedly in the playoffs. If Ole Miss doesn't lose to Florida, they're almost undoubtedly in the playoffs. Despite what people say, the regular season most definitely still counts.


All of this
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:36 am to
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Here an example and for this hypothetical let’s assume 2 relatively equal teams (ie not Georgia and Tulane for example) 1 team starts the season in the top 5 and another starts unranked. They both go 11-1 the team that started in the top 5 usually finishes ranked higher. Admittedly this was much worse in the past but it does have some influence.

Ok but what about a real world example and not just a hypothetical?

You’re still missing the point and moving the goalposts. Preseason rankings in July don’t have any bearing on a teams SOS in December. Sure preseason rankings contribute to a teams final rankings in a way but not to SOS.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:36 am to
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Are the SEC babies gonna cut the conference schedule to 6?


Well Alabama's AD insinuated that they're gonna cancel their OOC games against name teams and go back to playing The Citadel and Louisiana-Monroe and Grambling like under Saban.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:12 am to
And I love for him to explain how that will help their case if they lose 3 conference games?
Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:27 am to
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Are the SEC babies gonna cut the conference schedule to 6? After years and getting the benefit of every doubt poor Gumps can’t handle one going the other way.


This issue is 100-percent about Bama, and not “the SEC”.

If it was about the SEC, Sankey and everyone would have been pushing Ole Miss for the playoffs last week, because of their clearly superior results vs common opponents compared to Bama. Specifically, the two ranked common opponents in UGA (Ole Miss 18 point win) and USC (Ole Miss 24 point win)

The only non-Gump fans whining for Bama are the low-information and low-iq types.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:36 am to
Here is how this conversation is going:

1) SEC and B1G splinter college football and swallow up almost all of the powerful programs in the sport - this was primarily driven by money

2) SEC and B1G were the primary drivers behind reformatting the postseason including the expansion

3) SEC and B1G get rid of divisions, leading to highly unbalanced intra-conference schedules

4) One SEC program, who played a poor OOC schedule and lost to two 6-6 teams in conference and, to be fair, played a challenging conference schedule, was the highest-ranked 3 loss team and was ranked ahead of other P4 2 loss teams heading into the final weekend (and is still only ranked behind one P4 2 loss team outside the SEC and B1G), including Miami, ASU, BYU, and Iowa State

5) Said SEC team gets left out after getting in just one year ago against an undefeated power conference champion

The greed and avarice are coming back to bite the whiny dipshits. Either play better football or leave the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 10:44 am
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:58 am to
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And I love for him to explain how that will help their case if they lose 3 conference games?

The reasoning is obvious why you would want to play cupcakes ooc
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:18 am to
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The reasoning is obvious why you would want to play cupcakes ooc


It’s really not, not in this context. Ole Miss did exactly that and it didn’t help them. If anything maybe starting with 4 garbage teams left them unprepared for even a terrible SEC team like Kentucky.

A&M and LSU lost OOC games but both also lost 3 SEC games. Maybe if those 2 had gone 6-2 in the SEC and were left out with 3 losses they would have a gripe about not playing but that’s not what happened. If anyone should complain about it’s Clemson. If they start with Ga State they finish 11-2 and are probably the 4 seed with a bye instead of playing at Texas.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:18 am to
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If a team is going to have to play 4-5 ranked teams in conference then the committee has shown they should not play a big OOC game, schedules like SMU get you in the playoffs playing zero ranked teams or even having a single quality win


That's not true though. SOS does matter. But not losing games also matter. Why do you think 1-loss Indiana is at #10, below multiple 2-loss teams? It's due to their weaker SOS. Why do you think 2-loss UGA is over Boise and Arizona? It's due to their SOS.

When comparing 2 teams with equal number of losses, the team with a tougher SOS gets the nod. For teams with 1 more loss, the team with 1 more loss will usually still get the nod with a tougher SOS. However, when a team has 2 or more losses, having a tougher SOS will not make up the gap for losing 2 additional games.

In other words, if Bama does not lose to Oklahoma, they are almost undoubtedly in the playoffs. If Ole Miss doesn't lose to Florida, they're almost undoubtedly in the playoffs.

Despite what people say, the regular season most definitely still counts.


Correct - it's a cohesive picture of all inputs, not just "SoS!". It's who you play, how you look when you play them, the final outcome, etc., etc. I think is was McElroy who had a pretty insightful comment not long after the final bracket was released, something along the lines of "This committee is made up of a lot of former coaches and players, and one thing coaches value above almost anything else is consistency week to week". Alabama's highs were very high and the lows were very low deep into the season, and that kind of high variance performance isn't viewed favorably by coaches. They also didn't appear to improve all that much throughout the course of the year with the blowout at OU and a blah win against Auburn at home.

Probably a surprising sequence in the ACC (talk about a third-order event) led to this in the first place at all - if Louisville hadn't absolutely choked to hell in the last 30 seconds against Stanford three weeks ago, then they'd be sitting in the rankings around 18th or 19th, and SMU would have a top 20 win (as would Miami, and ND would have another ranked win). As it is, they are likely sitting either 26th or 27th and are not being viewed much differently as compared to a win against Missouri or Illinois someone similar.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 11:23 am
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:40 am to
Power 4 fans begging for a 3rd of the season to be comprised of blowouts is crazy to me.
Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:44 am to
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Byrne’s “logic” made no sense. Bama’s OOC was bad this year. Their best opponent was Wisconsin. Now, it’s no fault of their own Wisconsin was 5-7 this year, but it doesn’t change the fact they were. Their other three OOC opponents were complete jokes.

Ironically, if Bama had even just one ranked OOC win, it might’ve been enough for them to overcome their (conference) loss to 6-6 Vanderbilt and 21-point (conference) loss to 6-6 Oklahoma and get them in over SMU.


Damn you guys are idiots. Byrne was talking about risk mitigation for the future and thats it. Why would Alabama or anyone in the SEC go play a tough OOC game? If they only lose 1 or 2 games in the SEC they're in every year because the committee showed SOS doesnt matter, so there is no reason to take the risk of losing in an OOC game. Schedule 4 cup cakes, only lose 1 or 2 in the SEC and you're in.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:22 pm to
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Damn you guys are idiots. Byrne was talking about risk mitigation for the future and thats it


what he’s doing is whining like a little bitch threatening to take his ball and go home. OOC games is not what decided Bama’s fate.

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Why would Alabama or anyone in the SEC go play a tough OOC game?


Money, prestige, fans and players get more fired up for those games, the program gets more attention that week, it helps you team get prepared for tough conference games ahead? How many reasons do you want.

Again Ole Miss did exactly this “risk mitigation” and how did it help them? I could make an argument their OOC hurt them when they had to play conference games?

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the committee showed SOS doesnt matter,


This is of course a complete lie. 1 loss Indiana is seeded 10 behind multiple 2 loss teams because of SOS as just 1 example.

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Schedule 4 cup cakes, only lose 1 or 2 in the SEC and you're in.


A team with only 2 SEC loses would be in without 4 cupcakes. UGA scheduled 2 ACC teams and they were in with 2 loses. If Bama/OM/USCe had only 2 conference loses they would be in.

Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:04 pm to
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It’s really not, not in this context.

It is lol

Sorry you don’t understand it
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:07 pm to
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committee showed SOS doesnt matter,

People keep saying this and it’s absolutely wrong lol
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