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re: Scottie Pippen: LeBron doesn't have the 'clutch gene' like Jordan or Kobe
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:
Forget MJ/Kobe, LeBrun doesn't even have a clutch gene remotely resembling that of Larry Bird and Isiah, like night and day, ask no quarter give none
Statistics suggest otherwise, but... OK.
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:18 pm to xiv
quote:He led the warriors in every stat as well..
while leading his team in every stat
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:19 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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He's not wrong. From the stand point of being just a physical freak of nature, LeBron is tough to top. Jordan and Kobe both had that killer mentality though. They lived for those big moments. Even the biggest of LeBron fans have to admit that he is lacking in that area.
since 2010 with his meltdown against the mav's where a fair critique against LeBron was that he wasn't clutch, he has:
- made more buzzer beaters in playoffs than anyone in nba history.
- scored more points in game 7's (elimination games) than anyone in nba history.
- led the greatest comeback in nba history down 3-1 (arguably of all sports history) against the best regular season team in nba history.
- has brought crap teams to the finals 8 straight years.
if that is not clutch, I don't know what is.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:23 pm to Phat Phil
He said the same thing again today?
Maybe Dirk or Maxi Kleber were on the show as well
Maybe Dirk or Maxi Kleber were on the show as well
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:28 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:
Doesn’t Lebron have the most GW shots of all time in the playoffs w/ 3 seconds or less on the clock?
I think we passed the point where facts matter a while back.
Factually, Kobe is actually a poor clutch player. A few links to prove.
LINK
Highlights. From 2000-2012:
Of the 15 players listed, Kobe Bryant's shooting percentage (40%) was below average. Tim Duncan and LeBron James shot the highest percentage (46%).
Kobe actually got worse after that point too.
LINK
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:34 pm to Rep520
I agree and anyone who disagree's with statistics is ignorant.
i said it in the other thread about Duncan
i said it in the other thread about Duncan
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:38 pm to Phat Phil
Didn't we just do this?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:39 pm to xiv
quote:
Then why did Jordan fail to get out of the first round all those times?
Dude was playing the mid-80s Celtics those times, easily considered among the greatest teams ever constructed and his supporting cast was not Scottie, Horace, Rodman, Harper and those players, MJ submitted great overall performances both those series but the dynamics of those series were 5-8 vs. 1, he was the Bulls' only scoring threat. His rookie season those Bulls played the Milwaukee Bucks coached by Don Nelson and those 80s Bucks teams were great in their own right: Moncrief, Cummings, Pressey, Pierce, Hodges, hell even Alton Lister was on that team, MJ was great in that series too they just weren't as good as those respective teams simple as that.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:39 pm to ReauxlTide222
Lebron was the NBA's best player for at least 12 consecutive seasons.
Jordan never even played basketball for 10 consecutive seasons.
Jordan never even played basketball for 10 consecutive seasons.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:42 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Lebron's opponents are better at playing basketball than Jordan's opponents were. If you don't agree with this, stupid or liar?
Dude was playing the mid-80s Celtics those times, easily considered among the greatest teams ever constructed and his supporting cast was not Scottie, Horace, Rodman, Harper and those players, MJ submitted great overall performances both those series but the dynamics of those series were 5-8 vs. 1, he was the Bulls' only scoring threat. His rookie season those Bulls played the Milwaukee Bucks coached by Don Nelson and those 80s Bucks teams were great in their own right: Moncrief, Cummings, Pressey, Pierce, Hodges, hell even Alton Lister was on that team, MJ was great in that series too they just weren't as good as those respective teams simple as that.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:42 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Ohhhhh, MJ needs more help!!!
Dude was playing the mid-80s Celtics those times, easily considered among the greatest teams ever constructed and his supporting cast was not Scottie, Horace, Rodman, Harper and those players, MJ submitted great overall performances both those series but the dynamics of those series were 5-8 vs. 1, he was the Bulls' only scoring threat. His rookie season those Bulls played the Milwaukee Bucks coached by Don Nelson and those 80s Bucks teams were great in their own right: Moncrief, Cummings, Pressey, Pierce, Hodges, hell even Alton Lister was on that team, MJ was great in that series too they just weren't as good as those respective teams simple as that.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:45 pm to shel311
quote:MJ needed help to get out of the first round.
Ohhhhh, MJ needs more help!!!
Lebron needed help to win the finals.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:47 pm to Reda LSU
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- has brought crap teams to the finals 8 straight years.
LOL dude constructed TWO Big 3 superteam squads and the Cavs supporting cast his 2nd stint there was no joke solid role players, please let's stop pretending those teams were crap, in a star-driven league, they would be considered a top team like the top star-driven teams of the past
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:58 pm to shel311
quote:
Ohhhhh, MJ needs more help!!!
I mean when you're playing the mid-80s Boston Celtics and your supporting cast consists of Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Dailey, old arse George Gervin, Dave Corzine, etc that's a logical conclusion to make, yes, one player rarely beats a great team all by himself and MJ on the mid-80s Bulls was no exception. never discouraged him though he kept persisting, playing great and shooting clutch shots and Krause started drafting better in 87 with the trade for Scottie and Horace Grant.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:05 pm to xiv
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MJ needed help to get out of the first round.
Lebron needed help to win the finals.
Those Bulls in the early years were 7-8 seeds and playing against stacked decks and MJ was the lone blue-chipper, LeBron led 60+ win teams to no. 1 overall seeds his first Cleveland stint and they choked in the playoffs, his superteam in Miami lost twice in the Finals and he choked so memorably in 2011 against a beatable Mavs team, I'll give him a pass for 2015 with the injuries to K-Love and Flat-Earther Kyrie bc he played great, 2017 I know he was playing the Big 4 in Golden State that was hot the entire playoffs but LeBron still had Kyrie and K-Love supporting him with Korver shooting 3s and, if LeBron's as great as people say he is, he should easily make up the difference he's LeBron none of the Big 4 players individually was to LeBron's level even remotely should've arguably been a wash and he was gentleman swept, is what it is.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:13 pm to Phat Phil
Just like Manning to Brady. Manning choked, Brady rose to the challenge.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:34 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:You're so close to getting it.
Those Bulls in the early years were 7-8 seeds
Jordan was a 7 seed and getting bounced in the first round at the age Lebron took a crap team to the Finals. Lebron is better than Jordan. He's been better for years.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:35 pm to xiv
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Jordan was a 7 seed and getting bounced in the first round at the age Lebron took a crap team to the Finals. Lebron is better than Jordan. He's been better for years.
I see you enjoy trolling here too, as well as the poli board. do you, bruv
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:50 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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LOL dude constructed TWO Big 3 superteam squads and the Cavs supporting cast his 2nd stint there was no joke solid role players, please let's stop pretending those teams were crap, in a star-driven league, they would be considered a top team like the top star-driven teams of the past
you want to dispute that, fine by me.
everything else I posted speaks to his 'clutchness'
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