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re: Russell Wilson’s camp has grown frustrated by the Seahawks inability to protect him
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:54 pm to diremustang
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:54 pm to diremustang
quote:I mean Brady left the organization that helped him win 6 rings by surrounding him with elite defenses year after year when he felt they werent giving him enough help
I look forward to Mahomes demanding a trade in a few years when Hill and Kelce aren't the most dominant players at their positions
Why are we acting like this is just young QB thing?
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:58 pm to RLDSC FAN
Did old timey QBs have "camps"?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:03 pm to gthog61
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Did old timey QBs have "camps"?
Camps have been a thing for decades.
It’s just a fancy word for close family/friends/agents etc.
Brady’s got his circle, Manning had his, etc etc
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:09 pm to RLDSC FAN
Even ESPN is throwing a bone to the Seattle O-Line on this take.
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Wilson's 47 sacks in 2020 were third-most in the NFL behind Carson Wentz (50) and Deshaun Watson (49). The Seahawks were ninth-best in ESPN's Pass Block Win Rate (61.9%) this past season and rank eighth since 2017 (59.2%), which is indicative of how some of Wilson's sacks are a function of his propensity to extend plays.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:15 pm to Drewbie
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Even ESPN is throwing a bone to the Seattle O-Line on this take.
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Wilson's 47 sacks in 2020 were third-most in the NFL behind Carson Wentz (50) and Deshaun Watson (49). The Seahawks were ninth-best in ESPN's Pass Block Win Rate (61.9%) this past season and rank eighth since 2017 (59.2%), which is indicative of how some of Wilson's sacks are a function of his propensity to extend plays.
That exact same stat had the chiefs with a 67 percent win rate in pass pro in the super bowl against the Bucs
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:17 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Welp, this makes the stat worthless
That exact same stat had the chiefs with a 67 percent win rate in pass pro in the super bowl against the Bucs
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:19 pm to lsupride87
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Welp, this makes the stat worthless
Yeah it’s good for pocket QBs but scrambling QB or QBs who can escape the pocket frequently throw it completely off
The stat is based off of a cutoff time of 2.5 seconds. And there’s no mechanism built in to decipher the difference between a QB running for his life and escaping for 4 seconds to throw the ball away vs a QB having a clean pocket for 4 seconds to throw the ball where he wants
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:29 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:And both Mahomes in the Super Bowl and Wilson in general had a propensity to hold the ball instead of throw it away. Which is exactly the point he's making in that a lot of these hits are the product of trying to extend plays that are blown up instead of just throwing it away.
That exact same stat had the chiefs with a 67 percent win rate in pass pro in the super bowl against the Bucs
If you don't want to get hit, don't try to extend broken plays. If you want to be that kind of QB, don't be surprised when people hit you when you take off running. This whole thing is stupid when all context is added.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:30 pm to Drewbie
quote:So if Mahomes had 21 throw aways because his line was a sieve we would all be saying his line played great?
And both Mahomes in the Super Bowl and Wilson in general had a propensity to hold the ball instead of throw it away. Which is exactly the point he's making in that a lot of these hits are the product of trying to extend plays that are blown up instead of just throwing it away.
Its a stat that is worthless
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:33 pm to lsupride87
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Its a stat that is worthless
quote:A few more checkdowns and safety outlets in a game where you know you have two starters missing against one of the best D-Lines in the NFL wouldn't have hurt. It also doesn't hurt to tell Mahomes that it's ok to give up on a play if he's 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage and no one is coming open.
So if Mahomes had 21 throw aways because his line was a sieve we would all be saying his line played great?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:33 pm to Drewbie
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And both Mahomes in the Super Bowl and Wilson in general had a propensity to hold the ball instead of throw it away. Which is exactly the point he's making in that a lot of these hits are the product of trying to extend plays that are blown up instead of just throwing it away.
So to be clear, you would blame Mahommes for the offensive issues last night?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:34 pm to Drewbie
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A few more checkdowns and safety outlets in a game where you know you have two starters missing against one of the best D-Lines in the NFL wouldn't have hurt. It also doesn't hurt to tell Mahomes that it's ok to give up on a play if he's 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage and no one is coming open.
Did you watch a different game? If Mahommes tried to stay in the pocket any longer than he did he would’ve been eating through a straw today
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:49 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Not sure what your issue is but it's obvious you're just looking for an argument. Mahomes isn't the QB throwing his line under the bus while he holds the ball for 6 seconds. Mahomes did try to extend plays unnecessarily to his detriment in the Super Bowl. You can point out faults in play without placing the entirety of the blame on someone. You brought him up, so I mentioned the similarities between their playstyles and how it corresponds with the O-Line statistics you immediately threw out because you didn't agree with them.
So to be clear, you would blame Mahommes for the offensive issues last night?
My whole point is that if you're choosing to be a scrambling QB that goes against traditional QB principle of throwing the play away when your initial looks aren't there and sacrifice the additional safety that comes from that, you don't get to bitch about your line not protecting you. To be honest, bitching about getting hit as a professional football player at all is pathetic. Especially when you play the most protected and overpaid position in the game.
quote:Please link where I proposed him holding the ball longer. You need a break.
If Mahommes tried to stay in the pocket any longer than he did he would’ve been eating through a straw today
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:57 pm to Drewbie
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Not sure what your issue is but it's obvious you're just looking for an argumen
I hate to break it to you, but that’s what message boards are for
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Mahomes isn't the QB throwing his line under the bus while he holds the ball for 6 seconds.
Give him 6 more seasons of that Oline play and he might.
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Mahomes did try to extend plays unnecessarily to his detriment in the Super Bowl.
Which one of those extended plays were unnecessary exactly? Extending those plays were the only chance they had to get yards
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of the blame on someone. You brought him up, so I mentioned the similarities between their playstyles and how it corresponds with the O-Line statistics you immediately threw out because you didn't agree with them.
No I simply pointed out a fatal flaw in the stat that you posted.
Clearly if a stat is that off base from what you actually witnessed, then there is some very obvious context that is missing from the stat.
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My whole point is that if you're choosing to be a scrambling QB that goes against traditional QB principle of throwing the play away when your initial looks aren't there and sacrifice the additional safety that comes from that, you don't get to bitch about your line not protecting you.
But clearly that’s not the case in either scenario. Mahommes was getting pressured nearly the second he got the snap. That wasn’t him leaving his line out to dry, it was the complete opposite. But the stat you used claims the chiefs won their pass rush rates 2/3rds of the time. Which anyone with eyeballs can figure isn’t true.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 5:09 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Maybe for assholes. I come to shoot shite and have a good time in some common ground with folk.
I hate to break it to you, but that’s what message boards are for
quote:I'm sure once the two injured starters come back he'll be fine just like he was in the regular season. I also think Mahomes is made of less bitch-made stuff than Wilson.
Give him 6 more seasons of that Oline play and he might.
quote:Running backwards 10 yards with two DEs on your arse is not improving your chance to gain yards.
of those extended plays were unnecessary exactly? Extending those plays were the only chance they had to get yards
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No I simply pointed out a fatal flaw in the stat that you posted.
Clearly if a stat is that off base from what you actually witnessed, then there is some very obvious context that is missing from the stat.
What context is missing? Mahomes was pressured a lot, but it's not like it was LITERALLY every play. Around 40% of the time sounds just about right. That's still a ton considering they threw the ball 49 times.
quote:They threw the ball 49 times and he was hit 10. I'm not sure where you're having an issue with the numbers. Just because you "feel" like he was under pressure from a blown pass protection more than roughly 40% of the time doesn't make it true.
But clearly that’s not the case in either scenario. Mahommes was getting pressured nearly the second he got the snap. That wasn’t him leaving his line out to dry, it was the complete opposite. But the stat you used claims the chiefs won their pass rush rates 2/3rds of the time. Which anyone with eyeballs can figure isn’t true.
Again, not sure why you're so choked up about Mahomes and the Chiefs when they have nothing to do with this. Sorry ESPN has a stat you don't like I guess?
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 5:17 pm to Drewbie
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Maybe for assholes. I come to shoot shite and have a good time in some common ground with folk.
If that’s all this site was, it would’ve shut down 15 years ago.
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I'm sure once the two injured starters come back he'll be fine just like he was in the regular season. I also think Mahomes is made of less bitch-made stuff than Wilson.
Again you’re judging him based on his reaction to an incredible situation he walked into as a young QB. Of course he’s happy. Russell Wilson was too for a very long time. Eventually having converted Dline men trying to protect you every season gets old.
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Running backwards 10 yards with two DEs on your arse is not improving your chance to gain yards.
It is when the alternative is sitting in the pocket and getting creamed into the ground.
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What context is missing? Mahomes was pressured a lot, but it's not like it was LITERALLY every play. Around 40% of the time sounds just about right. That's still a ton considering they threw the ball 49 times.
You just proved the context was missing right there
He was pressure 52 percent of his drop backs. Not 40.
That stat says the chiefs won their blocks 67 percent of the snaps. Explain the gap there
it ain’t from Mahommes escaping, it’s from a flaw in the way the stat is calculated quote:
They threw the ball 49 times and he was hit 10. I'm not sure where you're having an issue with the numbers. Just because you "feel" like he was under pressure more than roughly 40% of the time doesn't make it true.
The only reason he wasn’t hit more was because of the insane pocket escaping he was doing
I have the actual stat of how many pressures he was getting. It was 29/49 drop backs, good for 52 percent.
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This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 5:22 pm to wildtigercat93
Remember what Brady looked like against the Saints in game 2? That’s what he would have looked like if he played for the chiefs on Sunday
Instead, Mahomes escapes that ridiculous pressure, and his o line gets graded well. It’s dumb
Instead, Mahomes escapes that ridiculous pressure, and his o line gets graded well. It’s dumb
Posted on 2/9/21 at 5:23 pm to wildtigercat93
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I have the actual stat of how many pressures he was getting. It was 29/49 drop backs, good for 52 percent.
So the line lost about 40% of the time, and the other 10-12% were Mahomes holding the ball too long. Sounds about right.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 5:26 pm to Drewbie
You remember seeing the line doing a good job of blocking, and Mahomes simply holding the ball waiting?
I honestly remember seeing him getting the snap and immediately being pushed from the pocket
I honestly remember seeing him getting the snap and immediately being pushed from the pocket
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 5:27 pm to Drewbie
I’ve found the one man on earth who thinks the chiefs blocked fine last night. Never thought I’d see the day
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