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re: Roger Clemens: 7 Cy Young’s, 10 times in the top 3 for CY, 12 times in top 6 for CY

Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29175 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:58 pm to
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Mark McGwire


I saw him in person the year he hit 70. He didn’t do anything during the game, but he put on a show in BP. It was at Chase Field (RIP Bank One Ballpark) and he was hitting moonshot after moonshot to the upper deck.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
12056 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:00 pm to
quote:

Bonds is in the same boat.


quote:

If you took away every stat from Barry Bonds' 7 MVP seasons he would still have 440 HRs and 359 stolen bases No other player in history has as many HRs and steals as Barry Bonds minus 7 of his best seasons


Amazing.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140708 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:01 pm to
I was at Chase that same year it was incredible it was early to mid June and Mac was just hitting the ball all over the upper areas

I saw him multiple times that year in Busch. The sound off the bat was incredible

The loudest zip I’ve personally heard from a fastball was Darren Dreifort vs us at Wichita. It sounded tornado was coming.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79245 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:18 pm to
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Might as well put Canseco in too


He was only .266 with 462 homers. In an era where homers are discounted.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32461 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:33 pm to
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and Pete Rose


That’s his own damn fault.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
39112 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:37 pm to
Rose? Never

The alleged juicers? Absolutely
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
8428 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:40 pm to
Baseball writers like to smell their own farts.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11561 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:32 pm to
Just like with Charlie Hustle.
Posted by Hondo Blacksheep
Member since Jul 2022
2951 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:00 pm to
It's their lying and dickhead attitudes that keeps them out.

The HOF is privately owned by a family, they'll let in (or not) whoever they choose, and they can always fall back on their morals clause to exclude the roiders.
Posted by IggyReilly
New Orleans, LA
Member since Dec 2015
171 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:04 pm to
It's hilarious that they won't let certain steroid users into the Hall of Fame, yet the guy who oversaw the steroid era and completely turned a blind eye to it, Bud Selig, IS in the Hall of Fame.
Posted by McMillan
Member since Jul 2018
7148 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:40 pm to
Including the managers (Torre, LaRussa, etc)
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44166 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:23 pm to
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No other player in history has as many HRs and steals as Barry Bonds minus 7 of his best seasons


I’m confused with your quote

Rickey had over 1400 steals and nearly 300 HRs. Are you saying bond had more, or bonds had more if we took away Ricky‘s best seven seasons?

It’s Thanksgiving. I’m not doing math.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
12056 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:51 pm to
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If you were to take away Barry Bonds of all of his stats from his 7 MVP Seasons he would still have 440 homers and 359 stolen bases which no other player has.


Probably makes more sense this way.
Posted by JaySWLA
Sulphur, LA
Member since Jun 2018
106 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:42 pm to
Maddux pitched in the same time frame, had a better playoff ERA, and didn't juice.
Posted by SWLA92
SWLA
Member since Feb 2015
4584 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 11:24 pm to
I fell in love with major league baseball during the Sosa, McGwire homerun chasing season.
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