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re: Roberto Clemente, could he compete in today's MLB?

Posted on 6/14/25 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 2:30 pm to
Dwight Evans also had a great RF arm.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 2:31 pm to
Yes he did. Very underrated.
Posted by West Seattle Dude
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 2:50 pm to
Ted Williams. Could he hit today’s pitching? Absolutely. His career BA would be lower, but I could see him winning multiple batting titles. Having 20/10 vision didn’t hurt.
Posted by Pitt Road
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 5:18 pm to
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Best arm from right field I’ve ever seen


This: I saw him several times at Forbes Field with that short right field wall and he made some incredible throws to home plate, no cutoff.. Also, the basket catch was pretty cool.
Posted by Hangover Haven
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 5:21 pm to
Of course not, he's dead...
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 5:44 pm to
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Are they plucked from their time and dropped in ad they are, or do they get modern training?

Modern training and all the greats would still be great.


Thank you for this. I’ve made this argument many times.

It also works in reverse. Many successful players today would not have been successful in the past without modern training.
Posted by 9rocket
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 5:56 pm to
Tony Olivia had a good rf arm. They used to say he could pitch batting practice from right field.

Clemente was something else, though.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 6:23 pm to
Great hitter, too.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 6:26 pm to
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This: I saw him several times at Forbes Field with that short right field wall and he made some incredible throws to home plate, no cutoff.. Also, the basket catch was pretty cool.


Also known for the 9-3 groundout. Couldn't be complacent with him out there.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 6:30 pm to
Ted Williams would be a video addict. He studied pitchers like few ever did, and that would give him another tool, assuming he needed one.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 7:05 pm to
MLB.com back in 2018 did a survey ranking the top outfield arms of all time. They used assists totals and reports from the time to assess past players.

Clemente was ranked as having the overall best outfield throwing arm of all time and the best arm among right fielders. No. 2 and No. 3 overall were also right fielders, Carl Furillo and Jesse Barfield.

Fourth through 15th among right fielders only were Ichiro, Vlad Guerrero Sr., Al Kaline, Ellis Valentine, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Rocky Colavito, Babe Ruth, Dwight Evans, Raul Mondesi, Larry Walker, Dave Winfield and Reggie Smith.

For those who have that throw in the 1979 All-Star Game on a loop in their heads (and IMO Gary Carter’s effort on the receiving end was just as critical to that play’s success as the throw), Dave Parker is 17th among right fielders after Cesar Geronimo and they specifically said the reason Parker was so low is because while his arm had tons of power he lacked accuracy compared to others on the list, was just as likely to commit a throwing error as he was to make a highlight reel throw.

Of course all of these people that were mentioned were great and I would tread very carefully about running on any of their arms.
This post was edited on 6/14/25 at 7:06 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 7:08 pm to
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Are they plucked from their time and dropped in ad they are, or do they get modern training?

Modern training and all the greats would still be great.


This here.

Would Night Train Lane be a top DB in today’s NFL? Well…if he were “training” part time like they did back then and having to make a real living in the offseason, probably not.

Give him everything today’s players have at their disposal, probably so.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 6/14/25 at 7:11 pm to
Would Deacon Jones be 6'5" and 265?
Hell, no. He be 280ish.
Posted by Pitt Road
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Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 8:38 pm to
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I don't think the guy who pounded whiskey and hot dogs


Wait, that diet always worked for me!
Posted by Pitt Road
Mid-Florida
Member since Aug 2017
1086 posts
Posted on 6/14/25 at 8:45 pm to
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Another guy who swung a huge bat


quote:

his record was 23 women in one night)


Interesting!
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 6/14/25 at 8:51 pm to
Well, there's a long-told story that Babe threw this big party, during which he stood up and stated "Anybody who doesn't wanna frick can leave right now!"
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4914 posts
Posted on 6/14/25 at 9:19 pm to
It was the entire employee roster of a whorehouse. And he celebrated afterward with an 18-egg omelet for breakfast.
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