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re: Re-visiting some of the BCS’s controversies...
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:11 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:11 pm to Turbeauxdog
It was 50% polls/50% computers when OU somehow stayed #1. The computers loved them. They changed it in 05 so it would be 1/3 media poll (Harris over AP), 1/3 Coaches, and 1/3 computers. Which helped us get in over Texas in 08. 
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:14 pm to Korin
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The Alliance was an agreement between certain bowl committees and didn't involve the Rose
You reiterated what I said...
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Buckeyes shouldn't have lost to unranked Michigan at home
They would have played in the Rose Bowl anyway...
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:16 pm to TexasTiger08
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You reiterated what I said...
You said the Alliance "preserved" the Rose Bowl with the Big 10 and Pac 12.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:18 pm to Korin
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You said the Alliance "preserved" the Rose Bowl with the Big 10 and Pac 12.
Exactly. They ‘spared’ the Rose Bowl. Part of the deal was that the Rose Bowl was not involved. Thus, the matchup of Big Ten/Pac 10 was preserved.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:25 pm to TexasTiger08
Rose wasn't part of the Alliance though. So the Alliance couldn't do anything.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:25 pm to Glorious
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Literally every other sport allows a non-conference/division champ to win it all
Without having to go through a playoff?
ETA: and with the more deserving teams having to play an extra game(s)?
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:26 pm to Glorious
quote:MLB prior to the mid-90's when expansion teams led to splitting into 3 divisions per league instead of 2
Literally every other sport allows a non-conference/division champ to win it all
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:28 pm to Turbeauxdog
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The quality win adder was one of the smartest things they did,
That was so stupid
It was designed to get Miami over FSU in 2000 classic fighting the last war quote:
but because it hurt one of the chosen teams one year it had to go.
Oh spare us the chosen team crap. The 2003/04 game should have been LSU v USC. Using the later formula that’s the matchup we would have gotten and there would have been zero controversy. They changed it because the overly complicated formula bit them on the arse. There is no mathematical formula that “proves” who the best team is.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:32 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Literally every other sport allows a non-conference/division champ to win it all
Not true in pro sports, every one that makes the Finals/World Series/. Super Bowl wins the the conference.
Only in College football can you benefit from NOT playing in a conference championship game that other teams must play in because they won their division and you didn’t. It would be like making the top seeds play the wild card game.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:46 pm to KosmoCramer
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I think every year the BCS formula and the CFP committee have agreed.
I still distrust the human element.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:46 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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ETA: and with the more deserving teams having to play an extra game(s)?
Oklahoma State played 12 games too
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:51 pm to Bench McElroy
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No, you're right. Ohio State was better than Florida State that year. However, FSU clearly had the better resume.
Defeated a Texas A&M team that won the Big 12 and finished the regular season ranked in the top 10
Defeated a top 25 Miami team in the Orange Bowl
Defeated a Georgia Tech team that finished ranked #12 in the final regular season AP poll 34-7 on the road
Defeated a Virginia team that finished ranked #13 in the final regular season AP poll 45-14
Defeated a Florida team that finished ranked #7 in the final regular season AP poll 23-12
FSU beat two top 15 teams by 27 and 31 points. They beat a top 10 team in Florida by double digits and also beat a top 10 team that won their conference in Texas A&M. OTOH, Ohio State beat no top 10 teams, only one team that finished the regular season ranked in the top 15 (Michigan), and two teams who were barely ranked inside the top 25 (Penn State and Missouri). I don't see how a case could be made that Ohio State had a better resume than Florida State. You would have to be really biased towards Ohio State to believe that.
Well, Ohio State beat that same Texas A&M team in the Sugar Bowl. All of their wins were by double digits and they had a 28-9 lead in the game they lost before one of the most bizzare shanked punt turnovers ever.
They beat #7 at the time Penn State 28-9 and number 8 Texas A&M 24-14. They also had wins over ranked West Virginia on the road, #21 Missouri and #11 Michigan.
Florida State also got throttled by NC State.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:53 pm to Korin
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Buckeyes shouldn't have lost to unranked Michigan at home.
The Shawn Springs slip.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:54 pm to TexasTiger08
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why was Florida State ushered in over Ohio State?
First, there wasn’t any movement at the top of polls back then unless a team lost. It was always better to lose early in the season. FSU lost early, then OSU fell behind them later in the season when they lost and stayed there.
Also, the reputation of both schools was far different then. FSU had spent a decade finishing in the Top 5. They would have been a perennial playoff team if they had the playoff format.
Ohio St had the perception of a paper tiger. They won a lot of games, had good seasons, but John Cooper only beat Michigan twice. He had the reputation of being a good coach, but unable to win the big games. He was fired only 2 years later after a 8-4 season. Even Buckeye fans and administration felt he was unable to get them to the next level.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:56 pm to TexasTiger08
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Was that George Godsey?
yeah, he was awful as a freshman and sophomore. like, walkon quality. even as a junior it took him a couple of games to beat out two freshmen, but he was so smart that he ran the Friedgen offense very very well.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:41 pm to VinegarStrokes
2004 was the biggest snub in BCS history.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:45 pm to LanierSpots
Can't complain when you refuse to play an AQ OOC. 
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:46 pm to VABuckeye
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The Shawn Springs slip.
I know that feel. Our defender slipped in 1980 and allowed Lindsay Scott to run all the way down the field. Otherwise Georgia would have 0 titles.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 7:50 pm to VABuckeye
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Well, Ohio State beat that same Texas A&M team in the Sugar Bowl. All of their wins were by double digits and they had a 28-9 lead in the game they lost before one of the most bizzare shanked punt turnovers ever.
They beat #7 at the time Penn State 28-9 and number 8 Texas A&M 24-14. They also had wins over ranked West Virginia on the road, #21 Missouri and #11 Michigan.
Florida State also got throttled by NC State.
FSU had 2 wins over teams that finished top 10 in the BCS, one being an extra regular season game at Giants Stadium. Ohio State had 0.
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