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re: Questions: Who was better, Hakeem or Shaq?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think young shaq held his own against dream in those finals, though
Shaq outplayed Hakeem IMO
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Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:38 am to mattz1122
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Dream was also an incredibly skilled passer and dribbler for a guy his size.
no doubt. he was more skilled than shaq, but shaq's skill level is underrated
too many people make the incorrect assumption he just used his size. shaq had an INCREDIBLY refined post game. when he was on the lakers under phil, his passing improved greatly, also.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think young shaq held his own against dream in those finals, though
Yeah. But when Shaq won his titles, did he face a center who was even close to a threat to him? He sure as hell wasn't concerned about one-on-one matchups.
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 11:40 am
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:41 am to mattz1122
I know not a direct comparison, but I think Shaq was helped out more by his team than Hakeen was by his. I think in part, not a lot though, the Lakers were a better overall team, that allowed Shaq to have more one on one match ups.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:43 am to mattz1122
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But when Shaq won his titles, did he face a center who was even close to a threat to him?
duncan, smits, and sabonis weren't exactly chopped liver (this is when duncan wasn't a pussy and guarded shaq)
those trailblazer teams were AWESOME, as were those king teams. they were better teams than the magic in 94/95 or the knicks the year before that
and yes, shaq didn't have a dominant center, but if you go look up his final stats your mind will be blown. dude was a fricking monster
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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go look up his final stats your mind will be blown. dude was a fricking monster
2000 -- Shaquille O'Neal, L.A. Lakers
Averaged 38.0 points, 16.7 rebounds and 2.67 blocks to lead the Lakers to a 4-2 victory over the Indiana Pacers and the franchise’s first NBA Championship since 1988. O’Neal’s best Finals performances came at the Staples Center with 43 points, 19 rebounds in Game #1, 40 points, 24 rebounds in Game #2 and 41 points, 12 rebounds in Game #6.
2001 -- Shaquille O'Neal, L.A. Lakers
Averaged 33.0 points, 15.6 rebounds and 3.40 blocks to lead the Lakers to a 4-1victory over the Philadelphia 76ers and the franchise’s second consecutive NBA Championship. O’Neal’s best Finals performances came at the Staples Center with 44 points, 20 rebounds and five assists in Game #1, 28 points, 20 rebounds and nine assists in Game #2 and 34 points, 14 rebounds in Game #4.
2002 -- Shaquille O'Neal, L.A. Lakers
Averaged 36.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 2.75 blocks to lead the Lakers to a sweep of the New Jersey Nets and the franchise’s third consecutive NBA Championship. O’Neal’s best Finals performances came at the Staples Center with 36 points, 16 rebounds and four blocks in Game #1, 40 points, 12 rebounds and eight assists in Game #2, 35 points, 11 rebounds and four blocks in Game #3.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Are you not impressed and/or blown away by just how much more dominate the Dream was over Shaq defensively?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:47 am to SPEEDY
mutumbo wasn't exactly a defensive slouch, either
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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those trailblazer teams were AWESOME, as were those king teams. they were better teams than the magic in 94/95 or the knicks the year before that
It's not at all a given that those teams were better than the Suns (two superstars and a great roster), Spurs, Knicks, Magic and Jazz (two HOFers). Those teams were winning 58-60 games.
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:48 am to DP40
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Who was better, Hakeem or Shaq
Hakeem
Shaq was a physical anomaly with very limited basketball skills.
Shaq:
poor shooter, poor defender, poor rebounder for his size/athleticism, and poor ball handler.
His really only true basketball skill was passing out of double teams. His low post game was brute force and his face up game - non existent.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:49 am to tiger2012
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poor defender, poor rebounder for his size/athleticism, and poor ball handler.
lol
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:49 am to LSU77
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In their prime, Shaq , and it ain't close
bullshite. Lets remember that Hakeem didn't even start playing ball till his senior year in HS. Hakeem has an UNSTOPABLE shot. Shaq was just a huge man. I would take Hakeem all day long. Shaq was great but Hakeem overall was better.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:51 am to DP40
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Are you not impressed and/or blown away by just how much more dominate the Dream was over Shaq defensively?
hakeem was better defensively no doubt
shaq was still rated in the top 10 in defensive efficiency for pretty much his entire career (hakeem was typically top 5). it's a gap, but shaq's defense is underrated. shaq was top 5 in defensive win shares a few years and #1 in 99/00
shaq was more dominant in win shares, win shares/48, usage rate, offensive win shares, and PER
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:51 am to tiger2012
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and poor ball handler.
lol, wut?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:52 am to tiger2012
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Shaq was a physical anomaly with very limited basketball skills.
see what i'm saying about shaq's perception. 100% incorrect
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His low post game was brute force
no, it wasn't
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:54 am to SPEEDY
Shaq
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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His low post game was brute force
no, it wasn't
catch ball, knock guy over, reset his feet (travel), then dunk. For all those years, the NBA sold the "he's so hard to ref because of his size/strength" line.
NBA Didn't call Shaq for fouls or traveling till the end of his career.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:57 am to DP40
to say either was easily better, or that it wasn't close is just flat out retarded
they were both truly great...just very different
I still wish Shaq would've swallowed his pride and learned to shoot FTs underhand. Dude would have averaged about 30-35 ppg.
they were both truly great...just very different
I still wish Shaq would've swallowed his pride and learned to shoot FTs underhand. Dude would have averaged about 30-35 ppg.
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:57 am to tiger2012
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catch ball, knock guy over, reset his feet (travel), then dunk.
wow
so much fail
shaq had an amazing dip/under move and was deadly on his spin move
was it based on power? yes, but once a defender overcompensated for shaq's power, he had an arsenal of moves to counter and dominate. if they laid off waiting for the counter, he would post-power over them
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
"If I had to pick a center, I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him."
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