re: Question RE GT

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get GT has tough academic standards but I don’t buy it. Stanford, Notre Dame etc. also have tough standards

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Exactly the problem. The kids talent pool that can get into these schools is very small, and these two are taking the best ones right now. It's not like y'all ate getting fuctional retards like Radio Foster into GaTech.

Johnson is doing no help with his outdayed system. But like I tell Auburn fans, all the elite coaches already have jobs. But GT can do better than Ted Roof and Paul Johnson.

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I'm not sure that the triple option isn't just an easy scapegoat.

Right not, GT's biggest issue is that they directly compete with Georgia, Clemson, Alabama, Auburn, UF and FSU among others for talent. That is as competitive a recruiting state as there is and GT lacks the same tradition, facilities and has the academic barrier.

Johnson's issues have coincided with those other schools firing up their recruiting. I'm not really convinced a spread with inferior talent goes much better than triple option with inferior talent.

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You will never ever compete with those schools, and many others, in recruiting if you're using that offense. According to Rivals Johnson's signed one class ranked above 40, it was 39, and that class consisted of exactly 27 3 stars. Tech has signed one 4 star RB, WR, and OL in his entire tenure. Gailey signed 1 RB, 2 QBs, and 1 WR that was rated as a 4 star in his'07 class.

If run correctly that offense you guys are bitching about can not be stopped. Problem is nobody runs it anymore in lower levels so you have QB's that are not mastering it and there are few coaches that can teach the OL play. Look at what Army just did to OU. It does hurt that the conference teams see it yearly and can figure out what the splits mean.

Yes the Triple Option, if run correctly is unstoppable due to the 2-1 it puts you into. People seem to act like that OU was forced out of the Wishbone due to Miami, but OU was running a hybrid of it with Aikman in 85. When he broke his leg they went back into the true Wishbone and ripped off 9 straight wins and a NC.

Johnson's Flexbone isn't really run correctly because they do not add the Run n Shoot elements in it to make it run correctly. Tracey Hamm, Deandre Smith, etc are guys who ran that offense to perfection.

You can try to Bear the Defensive front, but if they start hitting the hots it forces you out of it and they widen the splits the dive is back.

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So basically GT is fricked in terms of ever being an annually ranked team? I see a hole that GT can’t climb out of and perhaps I need to find a big boy program to follow if I want that experience.

The way I see it, GT has given up on the fans so why shouldn’t I give up on them until the commitment is made. Just seems like GT grads are okay with the results as long as GT is “going it the right way” by graduating players and having a system that gives the middle finger to conventional offenses. As a simple sidewalk fan who couldn’t care less about their academics that’s tough for me to accept as a reason to continue in mediocrity. Even Duke is recruiting better and has consistently gotten a little better.

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No it doesn't. Just because you think throwing the ball makes you open recruiting it does not. Problem is nobody runs it anymore at lower levels, so you are not getting the QB play and reps to run it correctly. Everyone is teaching the easy offense and you can be stupid to play QB in a "spread"

GT just needs a great coach. All things can be fixed/overcome with a truly exceptional coach (see: Stanford and Harbaugh/David Shaw).

CPJ has done some positives for the program but at this point his time is clearly up for all the reasons listed ITT.

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So basically GT is fricked in terms of ever being an annually ranked team? I see a hole that GT can’t climb out of and perhaps I need to find a big boy program to follow if I want that experience. 

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I think they need something to get into the competition for decent talent. The last time GT really recruited well, Bama and Clemson hadn't really hit their recruiting stride and FSU was at the end of the Bowden run and in a down period.

A reason I think it's bigger than triple option is that triple option shouldn't hurt defensive recruiting, but it doesn't seem like defensive recruiting is going much better.

I'll say I don't know enough about GT's institutional situation to comment too much on what should change. I do think that is the major issue to address. Playing 2 and 3 stars just isn't a very sustainable solution. Kids won't be more attracted to just a more modern system because of all the other programs right around ATL that run more modern systems.

Why don't more teams use it?

Because it is hard to teach correctly, with the G, Load, Freeze, Counters, etc and when you can have a guy who can count to three it makes teaching the Spread easier. The Spread is easy to teach.

Why do you think the Spread is so fashionable? Because it is hard to teach or run? I mean a trained monkey could make good decisions as a QB in a Spread.