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Question about the non playoff NY6 bowls
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:00 am
Do the bowl committees of the NY6 bowl games have input on which teams are given bids to their games?
I know the two semi-final games are set by the playoff committee based on 1/4 & 2/3 ranking. Once that is set, do the bowl committees get input with the playoff committee on which teams to place in the other 4 games?
I was just curious because I saw a couple of members of the Orange Bowl committee at the AU/UGA game Saturday (they had their jackets on). I know that you used to see the bowl committee folks checking out games of teams that they might want to invite, based on team performance, crowd support, etc. I wasn't sure if with the NY6 if that was still the case or not.
I know the two semi-final games are set by the playoff committee based on 1/4 & 2/3 ranking. Once that is set, do the bowl committees get input with the playoff committee on which teams to place in the other 4 games?
I was just curious because I saw a couple of members of the Orange Bowl committee at the AU/UGA game Saturday (they had their jackets on). I know that you used to see the bowl committee folks checking out games of teams that they might want to invite, based on team performance, crowd support, etc. I wasn't sure if with the NY6 if that was still the case or not.
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Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:02 am to PJinAtl
Some of them have tie ins like the Sugar and Rose if they aren't hosting a play off game. They also rotate the group of 5 team.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:03 am to PJinAtl
They use the tie ins and then the CFP committee selects the teams for the remain at large bids.
It would not surprise me though if the bowl games had some say
It would not surprise me though if the bowl games had some say
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:05 am to PJinAtl
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do the bowl committees get input with the playoff committee on which teams to place in the other 4 games?
Yes. There are a few conference tie-Ins that are “set” but other than that yes.
Other than the automatic conference tie-Ins, as far as who gets in the NY6 pool of teams, it goes strictly by ranking. In other words, the #17 team can’t be chosen over the #12 team. You just start from the top of the CFP rankings and go down until all spots are filled.
Theoretically, setting aside the auto conference tie-Ins and the G5 which could fall outside the Top12 and “steal” a spot from the actual Top12, it’s basically the Top12 in the CFP rankings that go to the NY6 bowls.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:15 am to PJinAtl
Sugar Bowl, Highest ranking non playoff Big 12/SEC schools play
Rose Bowl, Highest ranking non playoff Pac12/Big Ten schools play
Orange Bowl, Highest ranking non playoff ACC school/highest ranking SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame play
Cotton Bowl, by default based on already determined auto bids must take the highest ranked G5 champion and then based on other bids the highest remaining ranked team based on CFP rankings
ETA: This is a weird year where the ONLY true at large spot is the spot opposite the G5 champion in the Cotton Bowl. Which makes it not really an at large selection
. Normally the peach and fiesta have no tie ins but as they are playoff bowls this year that removes 4 completely open spots for the committee to make enticing matchups.
Rose Bowl, Highest ranking non playoff Pac12/Big Ten schools play
Orange Bowl, Highest ranking non playoff ACC school/highest ranking SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame play
Cotton Bowl, by default based on already determined auto bids must take the highest ranked G5 champion and then based on other bids the highest remaining ranked team based on CFP rankings
ETA: This is a weird year where the ONLY true at large spot is the spot opposite the G5 champion in the Cotton Bowl. Which makes it not really an at large selection
. Normally the peach and fiesta have no tie ins but as they are playoff bowls this year that removes 4 completely open spots for the committee to make enticing matchups. This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:26 am to jlovel7
quote:In this scenario, is it based purely on highest ranking, or would the Orange Bowl have some say on say a #7 Penn State coming to Miami vs a #6 UGA?
Orange Bowl, Highest ranking non playoff ACC school/highest ranking SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame play
Was just curious why the Orange Bowl committee would send spend money to send reps to the game if the participants are already determined either by conference tie-in or CFP Committee ranking.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:30 am to PJinAtl
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In this scenario, is it based purely on highest ranking, or would the Orange Bowl have some say on say a #7 Penn State coming to Miami vs a #6 UGA?
Was just curious why the Orange Bowl committee would send spend money to send reps to the game if the participants are already determined either by conference tie-in or CFP Committee ranking.
Because bowl committees are just a bunch of rich people skimming money and loving the good life.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:30 am to PJinAtl
This is Jerry Palm's latest bowl projection:
Sugar Bowl
Jan. 1
New Orleans, La.
Georgia vs. Baylor
Rose Bowl
Jan. 1
Pasadena, Calif.
Wisconsin vs. Oregon
Orange Bowl
Dec. 30
Miami, Fla.
Virginia vs. Alabama
Cotton Bowl
Dec. 28
Arlington, Tex.
Memphis vs. Florida
I don't imagine fans of UGA, Bama, or UF will get too excited about these.
Sugar Bowl
Jan. 1
New Orleans, La.
Georgia vs. Baylor
Rose Bowl
Jan. 1
Pasadena, Calif.
Wisconsin vs. Oregon
Orange Bowl
Dec. 30
Miami, Fla.
Virginia vs. Alabama
Cotton Bowl
Dec. 28
Arlington, Tex.
Memphis vs. Florida
I don't imagine fans of UGA, Bama, or UF will get too excited about these.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:32 am to jlovel7
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Orange Bowl, Highest ranking non playoff ACC school/highest ranking SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame play
God they would be better off taking a second G-5 team over the second Acc school
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:47 am to PJinAtl
quote:
In this scenario, is it based purely on highest ranking, or would the Orange Bowl have some say on say a #7 Penn State coming to Miami vs a #6 UGA?
Was just curious why the Orange Bowl committee would send spend money to send reps to the game if the participants are already determined either by conference tie-in or CFP Committee ranking.
I think the Bowl reps are largely for show now and to keep brand recognition up. As far as back door requests to the committee behind closed doors to rank them in specific orders to send them to their bowls, I don't know.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 10:06 am to jlovel7
Sugar has to take the highest ranked between Alabama and Georgia even though Georgia just made a Sugar bowl visit last season, correct? I do think Alabama will end up ranked higher than Georgia though after the SEC title game, so that will be moot. Sugar is going to be the best bowl match up assuming Oregon/Utah get the final spot over Oklahoma.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 10:09 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 10:24 am to PJinAtl
quote:
Do the bowl committees of the NY6 bowl games have input on which teams are given bids to their games?
Rose Bowl - Big Ten champ vs PAC-12 champ
Sugar Bowl - SEC champ vs Big 12 champ
Orange Bowl - ACC champ vs SEC, Big 12, or Notre Dame
When the conference champ is in the CFP, the bowls with conference tie-ins get the next highest ranked team from that conference that isn't in the CFP top 4.
Peach, Cotton, and Fiesta don't have bowl tie-ins
Posted on 11/19/19 at 10:31 am to Ssubba
quote:Yes. Unless Alabama sneaks into the top 4 and then the Sugar would get whoever the next highest SEC team outside the CFP top 4.
Sugar has to take the highest ranked between Alabama and Georgia even though Georgia just made a Sugar bowl visit last season, correct?
Posted on 11/19/19 at 10:46 am to Ssubba
So two things can happen with UGA, they beat LSU and make the playoff, or they lose to LSU and have two losses.
In the second scenario Alabama would likely have only 1 loss and therefore would be higher ranked. They would go to the Sugar Bowl and UGA would go to the Orange Bowl. All things said (besides the playoffs of course), this is the next best thing for UGA fans wanting to travel because I know some of us don't wish to go back to New Orleans for a second year in a row.
If UGA only has 2 losses, they will be ahead of Florida based of H2H, and Florida would sneak into the Cotton bowl to play G5 champ. For Florida, it would be an easy NY6 victory, however the game may suck. However if the Orange bowl match up is UGA vs. Virginia, currently projected ACC runner up, it will be the same team we play in Chick-fil-A kickoff game next year, so that would also suck.
In the second scenario Alabama would likely have only 1 loss and therefore would be higher ranked. They would go to the Sugar Bowl and UGA would go to the Orange Bowl. All things said (besides the playoffs of course), this is the next best thing for UGA fans wanting to travel because I know some of us don't wish to go back to New Orleans for a second year in a row.
If UGA only has 2 losses, they will be ahead of Florida based of H2H, and Florida would sneak into the Cotton bowl to play G5 champ. For Florida, it would be an easy NY6 victory, however the game may suck. However if the Orange bowl match up is UGA vs. Virginia, currently projected ACC runner up, it will be the same team we play in Chick-fil-A kickoff game next year, so that would also suck.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:34 pm to PJinAtl
Sugar has to be SEC vs B12.
Orange has to be ACC vs B10/Notre Dame/SEC.
Rose is obviously B10 vs P12.
Cotton is stuck taking the G5 rep this season.
Orange has to be ACC vs B10/Notre Dame/SEC.
Rose is obviously B10 vs P12.
Cotton is stuck taking the G5 rep this season.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:37 pm to PJinAtl
Don't worry, Florida or Bama are headed to the Sugar
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:37 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:
When the conference champ is in the CFP, the bowls with conference tie-ins get the next highest ranked team from that conference that isn't in the CFP top 4.
The Sugar takes the B12CG loser if the B12 champ is in the playoff, regardless of rankings.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:41 pm to tzimme4
quote:
Don't worry, Florida or Bama are headed to the Sugar
I don't see how we make it that high. Sugar gets first pick, then the Orange, then the Cotton, then Citrus, etc.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 7:05 pm to Arch Madness
quote:
If UGA only has 2 losses, they will be ahead of Florida based of H2H, and Florida would sneak into the Cotton bowl to play G5 champ. For Florida, it would be an easy NY6 victory, however the game may suck. However if the Orange bowl match up is UGA vs. Virginia, currently projected ACC runner up, it will be the same team we play in Chick-fil-A kickoff game next year, so that would also suck.
That doesnt matter. If Florida and Georgia are the last two at large teams available, the rankings are not going to matter. The better matchup will, and you better believe the committee will put Florida in the Orange Bowl against a uninteresting ACC team, and Georgia will go to the Cotton Bowl against the G5 team.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 7:40 pm to Arch Madness
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Florida would sneak into the Cotton bowl to play G5 champ. For Florida, it would be an easy NY6 victory,
It would? Easy? How easy?
If Memphis goes, as they are projected to do... last time we played an SEC team in a bowl game, I think Auburn beat our brains out. And last time we played a non-Ole Miss SEC team, yep... brains were beat out.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 7:48 pm
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