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re: Pretty tough to argue against Manning being the GOAT at this point
Posted on 9/24/13 at 1:39 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 9/24/13 at 1:39 pm to Sophandros
Only once, until last years game that went to OT and had two Trindon Holliday kick returns, has Peyton Manning led his team to 20 points in a playoff loss. That means 7 times he has failed to get his team to 20 in a game they ended up losing.
He has thrown 32 TDs and 21 INTs in the playoffs. Regular season QBs struggle to keep their jobs with that kind of ratios.
We all know that wins are a team stat but to say Manning has often failed to deliver in the playoffs is a more than fair statement.
He has thrown 32 TDs and 21 INTs in the playoffs. Regular season QBs struggle to keep their jobs with that kind of ratios.
We all know that wins are a team stat but to say Manning has often failed to deliver in the playoffs is a more than fair statement.
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Posted on 9/24/13 at 1:41 pm to Sophandros
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Manning isn't the reason they lost
If you are going to be the GOAT, or even close to it, it shouldn't have to be said that you "aren't the reason they lost". You should be the reason they won.
As my prior post illustrates Manning certainly wasn't pulling his weight in many of his teams post season losses.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 1:52 pm to RandySavage
Read my post several pages back regarding GOAT status in football.
I'm not arguing for anyone as GOAT; rather, I'm arguing against a particular narrative that is not based on any objective facts.
I'm not arguing for anyone as GOAT; rather, I'm arguing against a particular narrative that is not based on any objective facts.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 1:58 pm to RandySavage
Only twice (and one was 21 points and the other was to Manning's team) did Brady lead his team to your arbitrary 20 point barrier in a loss.
Plus, Brady has a lower playoff passer rating, lower yards per attempt, and higher interception % than Manning in the playoffs. Brady has put up worse numbers than Manning in the playoffs, so does that exclude him from your little discussion?
Plus, Brady has a lower playoff passer rating, lower yards per attempt, and higher interception % than Manning in the playoffs. Brady has put up worse numbers than Manning in the playoffs, so does that exclude him from your little discussion?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:08 pm to Sophandros
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. Brady has put up worse numbers than Manning in the playoffs, so does that exclude him from your little discussion?
Yeah. Because of this simple number: 17. The Patriots are 17-7 in the playoffs since he was promoted to the role of starting QB. Manning was below .500 despite having similar talent. Also...Brady shined in 3 Super Bowl victories.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:12 pm to RollTide1987
You must think Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco are elite as well
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:15 pm to josh336
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You must think Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco are elite as well
I would have called Ben Roethlisberger an elite QB a couple of years ago.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:23 pm to RollTide1987
When you use rate metrics, as I have, the number of games played is less significant. And it's only a four game difference.
When you have a lower yards per attempt and a higher interception %, then you didn't play as well.
When you have a lower yards per attempt and a higher interception %, then you didn't play as well.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:29 pm to benhamin5555
Best regular season QB. Yes.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:31 pm to RollTide1987
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Also...Brady shined in 3 Super Bowl victories.
This is the biggest lie i have heard in a very long time 145 yards passing and one TD is an all-time great performance
ETA: Question for Rolltide87, if vinatieri misses those field goals, is Tom Brady no longer great? Because according to you, he wouldn't be
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:56 pm to RollTide1987
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despite having similar talent.
You think the Colts and Pats had similar talent?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:59 pm to lsupride87
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This is the biggest lie i have heard in a very long time
He finished 16 of 27 for 145 yards and a touchdown, yes. But he was also voted the MVP of the Super Bowl that year. So there goes that argument.
In his 5 Super Bowl appearances his a combined 127-197 for 1,227 yards (both of which are records). He's thrown 9 touchdowns in those 5 games to just 1 interception.
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ETA: Question for Rolltide87, if vinatieri misses those field goals, is Tom Brady no longer great? Because according to you, he wouldn't be
No. Why? Look at the above stats I just cited.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:00 pm to RollTide1987
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he was also voted the MVP of the Super Bowl that year. So there goes that argument.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:04 pm to craigbiggio
You can laugh but that's not going to change the fact that Tom Brady was the MVP of the Super Bowl that year.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:06 pm to RollTide1987
quote:It is also not going to change the fact that 145 yards and 1 td is not a good performance
You can laugh but that's not going to change the fact that Tom Brady was the MVP of the Super Bowl that year.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:07 pm to RollTide1987
quote:But its just about wins i thought? So if the field goals are missed and they lose, who cares right?
No. Why? Look at the above stats I just cited
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:11 pm to lsupride87
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It is also not going to change the fact that 145 yards and 1 td is not a good performance
And yet it was good enough to win the biggest game of the year and net him a Super Bowl MVP trophy.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:12 pm to RollTide1987
quote:According to you 145 yards and a TD with a team win, is better than 450 yards and 4 tds with a team loss. That is my point
And yet it was good enough to win the biggest game of the year and net him a Super Bowl MVP trophy.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:12 pm to lsupride87
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So if the field goals are missed and they lose, who cares right?
Then by that same token who cares about what Peyton Manning has done?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:13 pm to lsupride87
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This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 3:13 pm
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