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re: Pretty amazing Brady/Patriots stat

Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:39 am to
Posted by lsutigers1992
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:39 am to
Belichick and Brady knew how to play a motivated Moss. Go back and look at the highlights of the game they played in Miami that year, for example. Basically Brady threw two glorified Hail Marys into the end zone, Moss pushed everybody in front of him and jumped higher than everybody behind him and caught the pass.
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:41 am to
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Since Moss was on the decline, how come Brady has never had a season comparable to his '07 season? Since Moss sucked so bad and Brady made him awesome again, how come Brady couldn't do that with another receiver when Moss left/quit on the team?



Way to be like a woman and over dramatize things.

I never said Moss "sucked so bad." Just that he had a career year with Brady. Most WRs career years don't happen at 30. Just sayin'.

Honestly, '07 was really the only year Brady was given weapons comparable to Peyton's weapons.

also, see what he did to Welker's career. welker's numbers are way off compared to last year with Brady.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 10:46 am
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:49 am to
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Oh, and you better hate you some Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys teams, because he did the same thing.
I was unaware of that, but I do hate Dallas.

To call my pointing out the significance of New England's lack of post-Spygate championships trolling is trolling.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:50 am to
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Honestly, '07 was really the only year Brady was given weapons comparable to Peyton's weapons.

also, see what he did to Welker's career. welker's numbers are way off compared to last year with Brady.



Won't argue with the first one. They built indy around manning, they didn't really build new england around brady until lately. BB has always and will always be a great defensive mind and will always try to push out a strong defensive unit.

2nd part, you're stretching for arguments. Welker's numbers dip because he went from a team that he was a #1 receiver to a team where he was the 3rd or 4th option. At this point in his career and after all the concussions, decker and thomas are better. He was targeted ~60 times less this year than the last 2 years in NE, but he did catch 4 more TDs.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 10:51 am
Posted by Moustache
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:52 am to
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2nd part, you're stretching for arguments. Welker's numbers dip because he went from a team that he was a #1 receiver to a team where he was the 3rd or 4th option. At this point in his career and after all the concussions, decker and thomas are better. He was targeted ~60 times less this year than the last 2 years in NE, but he did catch 4 more TDs.



What about when Welker went from Miami to NE. i suppose that increase also means nothing.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:53 am to
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I love the people that make a big deal about Spygate, because it's painfully obvious you don't know dick about defensive playcalls and how often callouts are changed up in a game.
Pats were fined, robbed of a draft pick, and the tapes were destroyed.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:54 am to
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You do realize they weren't the only team doing this. Just the one who got caught. Just like the saints and the bounty bullshite.
Irrelevant.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 10:56 am to
You mean he went from not being an option to a starting role and his numbers increased?
The guy only had 2 games started and still managed 67 catches for the Dolphins. That was a team Culpepper had 4 starts, Joey Harrington 11 starts, and then Cleo Lemon.....


And Welker was the leading receiver for that team btw....
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 10:58 am
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 11:05 am to
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What about when Welker went from Miami to NE. i suppose that increase also means nothing.



I was emphasizing more on the

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welker's numbers are way off compared to last year with Brady.



but yes to argue the career part, he did accelerate welker's career, just like how manning is accelerating thomas/deckers careers from tebow.

67 receptions/100 targets for 687 yards (10.3ypc) in miami. First year in NE as a #2 112 receptions/145 targets for 1175 yards (10.8ypc).

Roughly about the same ypc, just more targets. If Amendola stayed healthy this year, you would've seen the same thing. Going from a bad offense to a good one increases numbers if you get more chances.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 11:07 am
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:03 pm to
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Facts: Patriots without Tom Brady = 11-5 Colts without Peyton Manning = 2-14


It was a close race, but this is the dumbest thing posted in this thread
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:09 pm to
It's smarter and, more importantly, more relevant to the topic than a .gif with no comment or an opinion that someone else's shtick is tired.

The Pats without Brady vs. the Colts without Manning is relevant, true, and suggests that Manning is better than Brady. If you've got something in rebuttal, then rebut, but your proclamation that it's a dumb thing to say highlights your weakness in the debate.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:12 pm to
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Welker's numbers dip because he went from a team that he was a #1 receiver to a team where he was the 3rd or 4th option. At this point in his career and after all the concussions, decker and thomas are better. He was targeted ~60 times less this year than the last 2 years in NE, but he did catch 4 more TDs.

so even today, Manning has more weapons than Brady. One of Brady's best WRs of all time is a 3rd or 4th option for Manning.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:13 pm to
Dude, i had this argument on all these points a billion times. I have no need to rehash it to a troll. Im a strong believer in the "dont feed the troll" rule

Trying to compare two totally different rosters in two totally different years with two totally different front offices is friggin retarded


This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:15 pm to
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Trying to compare two totally different rosters in two totally different years with two totally different front offices is friggin retarded
Presenting it as a factor in the debate is by no means retarded.
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troll
.gifs with no comment, "Your shtick is tired," and "dumbest thing in the thread" guys are trolls.

Whether you're comfortable with it or not, Spygate and 11-5/14-2 will always be in this debate as factors that strongly favor Manning.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:17 pm to
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Presenting it as a factor in the debate is by no means retarded.


Yes it is. Very retarded

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.gifs with no comment, "Your shtick is tired," and "dumbest thing in the thread" guys are trolls.


Who exactly am i trolling here? The gifs are just funny and i like posting them, and your schtick is tired. You posted that camcorder bullshite in every pats thread begging for someone to bite. Congrats you finally did
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:17 pm to
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It was a close race, but this is the dumbest thing posted in this thread



Okay, maybe this could help clarify what may be close to the original poster's point:

Peyton Manning got to the Super Bowl with Jim Freaking Caldwell as his coach.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116158 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:19 pm to
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Whether you're comfortable with it or not, Spygate and 11-5/14-2 will always be in this debate as factors that strongly favor Manning.


And whether you are comfortable with it or not

Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116158 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:21 pm to
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Peyton Manning got to the Super Bowl with Jim Freaking Caldwell as his coach.


Well if youve kept up with the thread, getting to thr Superbowl means absolutely nothing apparently so i dont see your point
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:24 pm to
If ydgaf, stop commenting on my "shtick" and participate in the debate.

The fact is that, though the sample size is small, the Pats were better with Brady injured than the Colts were with Manning injured. Another fact (that is by no means shtick): New England hasn't won since they've been caught cheating. Calling it shtick doesn't make it untrue.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116158 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 12:27 pm to
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New England hasn't won since they've been caught cheating


Damn son. That would make up like 0-100 since 2007. shite man that would make the Jaguars blush
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