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re: Pop blew game one of this series
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:50 am to craigbiggio
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:50 am to craigbiggio
Calling timeouts to stop runs is the most overrated thing in basketball. If the TO is to get a new lineup on the floor bc this lineup is getting you killed or to change something schematically then that's okay.
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:55 am to redfishfan
What is a negative of calling a TO after say 11 or 12 straight?
Why would you not want to stop the game & coach your team at that point?
as an amateur fan you call it "stopping a run" or like Pop prob sees it as a way to coach his team cause they are sucking
Why would you not want to stop the game & coach your team at that point?
as an amateur fan you call it "stopping a run" or like Pop prob sees it as a way to coach his team cause they are sucking
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:08 am to SlowEasyConfident
Phil Jackson, his coaching resume' speaks for itself....
he never called timeouts when other teams went on runs
he never called timeouts when other teams went on runs
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:12 am to amo3822
Momentum has been debunked.
It's just a series of events that have an average outcome.
Eventually over the course of a long enough series of events, the results deviate back to the mean.
In this case, Leonard went out, the Spurs' got worse on average and it showed.
Fans may want momentum to be a thing, but it's really not. Over the course of the series of events, things will statistically balance out.
It's just a series of events that have an average outcome.
Eventually over the course of a long enough series of events, the results deviate back to the mean.
In this case, Leonard went out, the Spurs' got worse on average and it showed.
Fans may want momentum to be a thing, but it's really not. Over the course of the series of events, things will statistically balance out.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:17 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Boomshockalocka
dumb, just dumb
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:22 am to KosmoCramer
quote:No it hasn't
Momentum has been debunked.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:25 am to SlowEasyConfident
I'm not ready to say momentum doesn't exist. It depends on how we're defining it.
If we're talking in terms of a purely psychological benefit gained by the entire team at a particular point in the game due to some sequence of events then of course it exists. But if we're trying to say that teams with "momentum" will always play better, then I can't agree with that.
If we're talking in terms of a purely psychological benefit gained by the entire team at a particular point in the game due to some sequence of events then of course it exists. But if we're trying to say that teams with "momentum" will always play better, then I can't agree with that.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:29 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
No it hasn't
Prove momentum is a real concept.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:32 am to Goldrush25
quote:
If we're talking in terms of a purely psychological benefit gained by the entire team at a particular point in the game due to some sequence of events then of course it exists.
Not if the opposing team is properly coached. They would understand that statistically they are just as likely to score, get a first down, score a goal, etc.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:33 am to KosmoCramer
Emotions are a part of the game and they aren't logical.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:36 am to Goldrush25
They are built in to the average likelihood of the result.
It's why shooters are told to keep shooting even if they are missing. They are just as likely to make the first shot or the 14th shot after missing the first 13.
It's why shooters are told to keep shooting even if they are missing. They are just as likely to make the first shot or the 14th shot after missing the first 13.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:36 am to KosmoCramer
quote:
Prove momentum is a real concept.
He doesn't have to. You have to prove its been debunked. Burden of proof is on you.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:39 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
No it hasn't
This is sort of an edgy Cowherd psychological/sociological thing to say now that it doesn't exist and games are random whatever, but it's like Supreme Court obscenity -- you know it when you see it.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 11:40 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:40 am to Weagle25
Teams in the NFL earn more points per drive when starting inside their own 5 yard line when the opponent punted the ball rather than the defense got a 4th down stop.
I thought 4th down stops created massive amounts of momentum?
I thought 4th down stops created massive amounts of momentum?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:44 am to KosmoCramer
Pulling out obscure stats don't debunk.
FWIW I'm not really on either side here. I'm just pointing out stupidity in the arguments.
FWIW I'm not really on either side here. I'm just pointing out stupidity in the arguments.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:45 am to Weagle25
How is that an obscure argument?
4th down stops are supposed to be huge momentum builders.
4th down stops are supposed to be huge momentum builders.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:55 am to KosmoCramer
quote:Define momentum
Prove momentum is a real concept.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:55 am to KosmoCramer
Let me guess, there's no such thing as feeling pressure & being clutch too?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:57 am to KosmoCramer
quote:Says who? People who say that are wrong.
4th down stops are supposed to be huge momentum builders
How does that debunk momentum?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:59 am to KosmoCramer
quote:
It's why shooters are told to keep shooting even if they are missing. They are just as likely to make the first shot or the 14th shot after missing the first 13.
Still, emotions, reactions to stress or other external stimuli in high leverage moments are hardwired into all of us. All of the coaching in the world isn't going to completely override it. The only thing that mitigates the negative effects of those emotions is experience.
I think momentum and the "clutch" factor can both be explained by the fight-or-flight response. There are actual physiological changes that occur in the body in moments of high stress or excitement. So if we agree with that premise, then it's not hard to believe at all that the body may function better or worse in moments of stress/excitement.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 12:01 pm
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