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re: Pop blew game one of this series
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:59 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:59 am to Lester Earl
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Let me guess, there's no such thing as feeling pressure & being clutch too?
Players handle pressure differently. The issue is that the sample sizes for these data points is much smaller than the overall data for that player.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Define momentum
You're asking me to define something I don't believe exists in this context.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:05 pm to Goldrush25
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So if we agree with that premise, then it's not hard to believe at all that the body may function better or worse in moments of stress/excitement.
Most professional athletes these days are training in game like ways. They are training for the game and everything that comes along with it.
It's easy to look at a situation anecdotally and say that player choked or that player is clutch because of one defining moment.
I think that's just a way to rationalize why a certain outcome occurred.
Take the Super Bowl.
Did the Falcons choke? Or were they just playing well above their mean and the Patriots playing well under theirs and things balanced out?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:08 pm to KosmoCramer
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You're asking me to define something I don't believe exists in this context.
If you can't define something, how can you debunk it?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:10 pm to Weagle25
The theory is that because of a series of events has transpired a certain way, that the subsequent events are more likely to happen.
I think they have no bearing on each other and are mutually exclusive.
I think they have no bearing on each other and are mutually exclusive.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:10 pm to KosmoCramer
Maybe you're right.
I guess my position is that we cannot dismiss or gauge exactly what affect psychological factors have on the game.
I guess my position is that we cannot dismiss or gauge exactly what affect psychological factors have on the game.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:10 pm to KosmoCramer
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Did the Falcons choke? Or were they just playing well above their mean and the Patriots playing well under theirs and things balanced out?
That's a hard question to answer which is why I haven't taken either side. How can you definitively say one way or the other?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:12 pm to Weagle25
There's not enough data points to say one way or the other in this case.
But using statistics, we can surmise that momentum in sports is either not present or has no statistical significance.
At least I would surmise that.
But using statistics, we can surmise that momentum in sports is either not present or has no statistical significance.
At least I would surmise that.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:17 pm to Lester Earl
No negatives. Just the positive is not near the level people make it out to be.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:43 pm to KosmoCramer
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Players handle pressure differently. The issue is that the sample sizes for these data points is much smaller than the overall data for that player.
Reading back through your posts, I think maybe there's a disconnect here. It seems weird that you would acknowledge that pressure affects players but then have a problem with what I said.
I think perhaps you're thinking that our definition of momentum as experiencing a higher likelihood of future immediate success based on a few previous positive results, like someone hits a couple of shots and then he's "hot" and more likely to make more shots simply because he hit those first two shots. I don't think anyone believes that's what momentum is, at least I don't.
All I think momentum is, is a temporary psychological and perhaps physiological spike experienced by the group, gained from some sequence of events that's transpired. It's probably what other people call an adrenaline rush. Adrenaline is literally the first "performance enhancer." I believe it can lead to better play in the short run but not necessarily, so it's really hard to prove when it was in play and when it wasn't.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:56 pm to Goldrush25
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I believe it can lead to better play in the short run but not necessarily, so it's really hard to prove when it was in play and when it wasn't.
Why doesn't this so called adrenaline spike not always lead to better play?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:59 pm to Goldrush25
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I think perhaps you're thinking that our definition of momentum as experiencing a higher likelihood of future immediate success based on a few previous positive results,
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All I think momentum is, is a temporary psychological and perhaps physiological spike experienced by the group, gained from some sequence of events that's transpired. It's probably what other people call an adrenaline rush. Adrenaline is literally the first "performance enhancer." I believe it can lead to better play in the short run
How are these different?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:00 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Pop was too busy thinking about how he was going to show his arse regarding Trump in the post game presser
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:17 pm to KosmoCramer
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How are these different?"
Because all I'm saying is that the psychological/physiological response occurs at times in the course of an athletic contest. I'm not necessarily attributing subsequent results to it.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:20 pm to Goldrush25
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Because all I'm saying is that the psychological/physiological response occurs at times in the course of an athletic contest. I'm not necessarily attributing subsequent results to it.
I guess I'm confused the reason this would apply to momentum if it doesn't effect later results of subsequent events.
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