re: Playoff Bill set to go to the House

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So does 3/4ths of the BCS

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the BCS conferences get money because they're the ones who organized the system. why shouldn't they get the fruit of their labor?

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You must not think the Fiesta Bowl will make more than that off of these teams.

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the question is which bowl gets the best ratings, other than the title game

if BSU or TCU made money for conferences, they'd be in better conferences (namely BSU. the WAC is horrible and they could move into the MWC)

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Delayed almost the length of the season

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texas and arkansas played early in 2008

Sept 27, 2008

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if BSU or TCU made money for conferences, they'd be in better conferences (namely BSU. the WAC is horrible and they could move into the MWC)

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Or maybe if they were in BCS conferences they would make more money. Seems like people would be selling out TCU's stadium more often if they had a better opponent to come watch. Also, the promise of playing on a bigger stage would help recruiting. This is why it's a monopoly (oligopoly)--it's a system that engenders a lack of fair trade.

In the mean time, schools like TCU and BSU will continue to be locked out of the championship because nobody wants to play them from big conferences, which allows the teams of those conferences to say "well they don't play the same level of teams that we do". Then if and when they do beat them, everyone says "well it was their superbowl".

Newsflash - Alabama playing in their first Sugarbowl since the early 90s and their first BCS bowl ever meant it was a huge game of them too. Everyone that says they weren't up for it wasn't there to see Alabama's players bouncing off the walls and pratically having a mosh pit during warm-ups. I was there and watched them do it. Utah was the better team.

Oh, and both teams having a month to prepare eliminates the whole "well they couldn't do it week in and week out" argument also, since Alabama had a month of the same shite Utah did before the game.

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Delayed almost the length of the season

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texas and arkansas played early in 2008

Sept 27, 2008

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Yeah, my fault. Thought it was delayed longer than that. I was thinking of the Texans game that had be moved much later... same storm, wrong team (and level).


Edit: But there was a still a lot of infighting that led to a rift between the ADs, which was why they weren't interested in the return trip.

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that's why it's such a big money maker?

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only option.

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the BCS title game will almost assuredly be the #2 most popular sporting event in america, behind only the super bowl

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i think tOSU vs LSU was one of the least watched BCS title game this decade.

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i think tOSU vs LSU was one of the least watched BCS title game this decade.

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I believe you're right.


Also the Poinsettia Bowl last season featured two teams that were ranked higher than each of the Orange Bowl teams. The Poinsettia crushed the Orange Bowl in ad revenue, TV viewership, tickets sales, media coverage, etc. The teams in the Orange Bowl got 17 million each. TCU and Boise in the Poinsettia Bowl got around half a million each.

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People don't go to BCS games because of the game, they go because of the teams.

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yeah

the BCS conferences make money off their teams. they are money makers

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You think Baylor deserves BCS money because their conference was 1/6th of the organization that created it, but the 5 BCS conferences don't deserve to split their 9% of the total pot

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Baylor serves its role in the Big12 (even with the political reasons for it being in the conference)

Vandy serves its role in the SEC even though it often can't compete on the field

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By the way, the BCS wasn't created by the conferences, it was created by the Bowl Alliance, which was created by the Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange Bowls

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the bowls, led by the conferences they represent

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later Rose was recruited

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which is the lynchpin in the entire system

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media coverage? certainly not

tv viewership?

5.1M. it wasn't even the highest-rated non-BCS bowl

3.74 rating

Orange = 5.4 rating with 3.70 for the poinsetta. the orange also had twice the attendence

so it didn't win in tv ratings/viewership either

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Definitely had the most coverage. Don't believe me, try google news and see the story count compared to other bowls. Also, the Poinsettia Bowl was sold out for the configuration they used at Qualcomm, so yeah some may have outsold it but it was because they were in larger stadiums.

You're right on the viewership versus other non-BCS bowls, but you are comparing bowls that happened 2 days after Christmas on a Saturday, to a bowl that happened two days before on a Tuesday night. Those are the only bowls that beat out the Poinsettia.


Got bad info on another board about it beating out the Orange Bowl in viewership though... just what I heard and should've checked the facts. Still comparing a game that was 2 days before Christmas when everyone is travelling and shopping to a game that is after the New Year though.



VT and Cinci only sold 12,000 combined tickets from their 17,500 allotments (35,000 total). Most of the tickets sold were brokers and scalpers taking huge losses and some were selling tickets for 99 cents each.

The stadium was at most half full, and if you don't know that then you didn't watch it (along with many, many others).


Also, the only non-BCS bowls that beat out Poinsettia were the Music City, which had Kentucky fans making the short drive and packing the stadium; Liberty Bowl, which barely beat it and had Miss St fans making the short drive; the Cotton Bowl, which might as well be a BCS game and had Arkansas and Mizzou, two big draws that are very close; the Holiday Bowl with Texas and ASU, two of the biggest schools in the country in a great destination and barely beat out the Poinsettia; and the Capital One Bowl which is also nearly a BCS bowl and it had Florida playing in it. Regardless, as I said before Qualcomm was sold out for its configuration, so arguing that games that were played in slightly bigger stadiums did better in ticket sales is pretty stupid.

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why can't TCU sell out its own stadium?

that's not the fault of the BCS conference teams

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Why don't people show up to games when LSU plays Troy State? Same reason--people only want to make the effort to see a competitive game. If they didn't need to buy season tickets to get tickets to games like Florida, Bama, and Auburn when they come, these games would probably be seen by a half sold and less than half full Tiger Stadium.

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BCS teams aren't scared to play these teams

BSU specifically sets the bar high to play them. they often refuse 1-trip games, and rarely leave their region

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Dead wrong there. The only teams Boise can get to agree to play are regional ones because they are tired of losing recruits. Boise is also going to VT next season for a one-and-done.

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the main reason is jerry jones getting arky to play in jerry world

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Very true, but both schools were sending lawyers in to negotiate the rescheduling because the ADs couldn't come to terms. They both wanted out, but not as bad as Arky wanted the revenue from Texas coming to Fayetteville. The game at the Death Star was enough to change Arky's mind.

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not at all, because the weekly grind against superior athletes would wear down on these smaller teams

again, this is more for BSU than TCU

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It's a vicious cycle. Boise would be able to recruit more depth (athleticism isnt' the issue, it's depth) if they had the exposure that a BCS alignment provides. Again, THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE MONOPOLY ARGUMENT.

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Why don't people show up to games when LSU plays Troy State? Same reason--people only want to make the effort to see a competitive game. If they didn't need to buy season tickets to get tickets to games like Florida, Bama, and Auburn when they come, these games would probably be seen by a half sold and less than half full Tiger Stadium.

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So TCU can't sell season tickets?

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You're the one that picked those games, he's just proving you wrong

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Thanks for the input. I apologized for relaying bad info, but apparently that wasn't enough for you, Martha.

After that, I showed that it outperformed all other pre-Christmas games and all other pre-New Years games that weren't on a Saturday. Seems like people working would be the dependent variable there, right? It also doubled it's viewership from the previous year, which is the only truly valid point of comparison since it was the same venue, the same time, the middle of the week, and pre-Christmas.

Regardless, the whole point of this was that BSU and TCU was a hell of a draw, which I have summarily shown. Change your tampon.