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re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:08 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:08 pm to RonBurgundy
The Carry?
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:10 pm to SabiDojo
I don't understand these guys who say, 'ok we accept LeBron isn't as goood' but then they still argue it, try to downplay Jordan's moments, rationalize LeBron's against it...
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:12 pm to genro
quote:that happened in this thread recently?
I don't understand these guys who say, 'ok we accept LeBron isn't as goood' but then they still argue it, try to downplay Jordan's moments, rationalize LeBron's against it.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:14 pm to genro
quote:It was better, but not by enough to make a huge difference. The Bulls were still better than their opponents in those series. The only team that was truly a comparable match was the 1998 Pacers.
Does it matter that Jordan had much, much stiffer competition in the east including 2 dynasties in the Celtics and Pistons?
Besides, I think the Cavs would gladly take some marginally tougher competition in each of the three rounds in the East than to have to play a superior team in the Finals.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:15 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:The Bulls were better because they had Jordan. Jordan was better. Players are what makes teams better. The teams that win are always better. If LeBron was as good as Jordan his teams would be better and they would win more.
The Bulls were still better than their opponents in those series.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:17 pm to genro
quote:Well the downplaying is ridiculous, but there still needs to be contexts in the 6-0, 2-4 argument.
I don't understand these guys who say, 'ok we accept LeBron isn't as goood' but then they still argue it, try to downplay Jordan's moments, rationalize LeBron's against it...
If MJ had to play the GSWers the last two years, the 2007 Spurs and the 2014 Spurs, there is a good chance he would have at least a loss or two in there.
Again he's better than LeBron, but context is still important when discussing team accomplishments.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:24 pm to genro
quote:Sure but neither really struggled much in the Eastern Conference (a couple 7 games series each). The competition disparity wasn't that different, especially since Heat/Cavs and Bulls were so much better than their conference opponents that the marginal difference wasn't going to have a huge outcome.
The Bulls were better because they had Jordan. Jordan was better. Players are what makes teams better. The teams that win are always better. If LeBron was as good as Jordan his teams would be better and they would win more.
The NBA Finals, when playing the top end teams, is where that disparity had an impact.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:24 pm to genro
quote:Yes Definitely.
If LeBron was as good as Jordan his teams would be better and they would win more.
But not likely to be good enough to beat GS the past 2 seasons.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:35 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Sure but neither really struggled much in the Eastern Conference (a couple 7 games series each). The competition disparity wasn't that different, especially since Heat/Cavs and Bulls were so much better than their conference opponents that the marginal difference wasn't going to have a huge outcom
I don't think the Bulls were that much better than Knicks of the time (who went up 2-0 as mentioned in the OP) except they had Jordan.
From a talent standpoint, the Magic could certainly compete with them.
The Pacers had a team capable of competing against them.
The Heatles biggest threat was the Celtics followed by the Bulls.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:40 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:If you're referring to the 4-3 series in the conference semifinals, they were SIGINICANTLY better than the Knicks. It was comparative to the Warriors, Grizzlies last year in terms of disparity and how it played out.
I don't think the Bulls were that much better than Knicks of the time (who went up 2-0 as mentioned in the OP) except they had Jordan.
quote:Sure, but these teams were inferior enough that the marginal differences probably aren't going to have a signicant impact (i.e., Heat should have beaten Bulls opponents and vice versa).
From a talent standpoint, the Magic could certainly compete with them.
The Pacers had a team capable of competing against them.
The Heatles biggest threat was the Celtics followed by the Bulls.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:43 pm to genro
quote:
I don't understand these guys who say, 'ok we accept LeBron isn't as goood' but then they still argue it, try to downplay Jordan's moments, rationalize LeBron's against it...
Can we stop hearing about MJ's 6-0 Finals record vs Lebron's 2-4 record? We've established that MJ's better yet MJ people keep bringing it up.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:45 pm to genro
Fact.....
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:48 pm to genro
quote:And if we substitute Jordan for LeBron, what would their record be. They win the Mavs series (and obviously the two finals that LeBron won), and that may be it. So Jordan would have been 3-4 (after this finals) MAYBE 4-3. Better but not undefeated.
If LeBron was as good as Jordan his teams would be better and they would win more.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:50 pm to buckeye_vol
Dude. Give it a rest... ANYONE who thinks that bron is even on the same zip code as Jordan is a fool.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:52 pm to dukke v
quote:Well this isn't what we're arguing so maybe you should figure out what the conversation is about before spouting some irrelevant nonsense.
Dude. Give it a rest... ANYONE who thinks that bron is even on the same zip code as Jordan is a fool.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:53 pm to buckeye_vol
Calm diwn boy... The debate is if bron can hold Jordan's jock. And the answer is NO!!!!!! There is ZERO debate.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:54 pm to dukke v
quote:You're weird.
Calm diwn boy... The debate is if bron can hold Jordan's jock. And the answer is NO!!!!!! There is ZERO debate.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:57 pm to buckeye_vol
he's in classic, mid-00s pj form
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:04 pm to buckeye_vol
I don't know. We don't to have entertain hypotheticals and worry about these ifs and buts to defend Jordan. He's the GOAT just the way it happened.
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