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Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:59 pm to lsufball19
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They didn't comment on what would happen moving for
True, but one of the main things the USGA guy focused on was the "open" nature of the tournament and the fact that they did not want to change the rules.
Given this, I see it hard for them next year to say to someone like Phil that although you have three more years left on your exemption from winning PGA, you can't play because you are not on the PGA Tour. I don't think that happens.
For others though, I think it will come down to world rankings. And if LIV ends up not receiving them, then you are left with having to qualify like I would have to (at least for US Open).
I've got my popcorn out.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:00 pm to lsufball19
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Listen to every player talk at the press conferences. None of them could say how this league is better for the game of golf, only for their wallets. All of them essentially said the same thing "We want to play a lot less golf and make a shitload of money not having to play much golf." They all dodged human rights questions. They all dodged questions regarding doing it solely for the money.
This may have been addressed already, but Saudi Arabia literally funded 9/11 and almost all of the terrorists were from there. And went to war against 2 OTHER countries where thousands of U.S. soldiers were killed and we spent trillions of U.S. taxpayers dollars.
And that’s just the last 20 years. We’ve been cozy with the Saudis for decades. If several decades of United States Presidents and their administrations have yet to be called to task to explain their relationship with Saudi Arabia in spite of all their human rights atrocities, I think I’ll forgive Dustin fricking Johnson for not trying to articulate the particular nuances of our countries’ relationship to satisfy him playing a few times on this fricking golf tour.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:06 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I highly doubt the Masters welcomes back DJ or Phil
Or Greg Norman.
They may not want Bryson or Reed either.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:10 pm to Quidam65
Par 68 Bryson? Why would they not love him?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:16 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The overall field has the same exact strength of field as the RBC
If you took the top 48 players in the RBC and compared it to the 48 playing in the LIV event, it wouldn't even be close. The RBC has none of their top 48 outside the top 200 in the OWGR, and it's one of the weaker stops on tour. Of the 48 players in the LIV event, 13 are outside the top 200. The LIV event only has 4 players inside the top 50. The RBC has 12.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:20 pm to lsufball19
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Of the 48 players in the LIV event, 13 are outside the top 200. The LIV event only has 4 players inside the top 50. The RBC has 12.
Sure but the RBC has 132 players correct? You continue to focus on the bottom players when in reality they have very little effect on the field.
This is also the first LIV tournament, let's see what the field looks like later in the year.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:21 pm to Hot Carl
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And that’s just the last 20 years. We’ve been cozy with the Saudis for decades. If several decades of United States Presidents and their administrations have yet to be called to task to explain their relationship with Saudi Arabia in spite of all their human rights atrocities, I think I’ll forgive Dustin fricking Johnson for not trying to articulate the particular nuances of our countries’ relationship to satisfy him playing a few times on this fricking golf tour.
These arguments are always so dumb. Just because politicians do dirty things doesn't make it right. Nor does it excuse DJ and others from accepting money from a guy who just dismembered a journalist for a piece he wrote. Phil already has been quoted as calling the guys running the LIV Tour monsters and horrible, scary people, yet he has no problem getting into bed with them for a paycheck. So I guess your point is that these golfers are no better than politicians? That isn't a glowing endorsement. I think most people don't exactly believe politicians are the most noble and moral people on the planet, quite the opposite.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:21 pm to lsufball19
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If you took the top 48 players in the RBC and compared it to the 48 playing in the LIV event, it wouldn't even be close.
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle, pre gender spectrum shite, of course.
A big point of LIV is getting rid of the dead weight. The fact still remains, the strength of field for this two events is the exact same so "its a weak field" is not a legitimate arguement regarding world ranking points
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:22 pm to baldona
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You continue to focus on the bottom players when in reality they have very little effect on the field.
My post addressed the top and the bottom of both events. The top of the field in the LIV Tour event is also not nearly as strong as the RBC.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The overall field has the same exact strength of field as the RBC
Which also sucks. Thanks for proving his point.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:23 pm to Hot Carl
Spot on…. I’m a huge golf fan and watch some of it every weekend. Even the so called minor stops on the tour. I get cranked for every major and sawgrass. I don’t care f these guys go for the money. I will still watch the tour without them…..
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:25 pm to lsufball19
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I don't think those older guys like McDowell, Louis, Westwood, etc. do care a whole lot based on their comments at the press conference. They seemingly are using this tour as a semi-retirement gig so they can make a lot of money and not play much golf. The only players who probably do care are guys like Gooch, Phil, DJ, and Bryson, Phil mainly just on principle and his ego IMO. It was honestly very apparent, too, that all of them have been receiving different legal advice based on how they're all approaching resigning or not resigning their PGA membership.
This league wants to be its own entity, as a legitimate rival to the PGA. 8 tournaments are not how Norman envisions it. It's just a start, day one. They want to keep taking talent, wherever they can, preferably, many more PGA players, I'm sure, just like the old AFL of football and the old ABA of basketball, leagues who ended up genuine rivals. They want to recruit the best of the best of the young talent out of the amateur ranks. Which they already are doing. Norman is talking about the long run.
Who's to say that when they get to a full schedule, like the PGA, they won't want to sponsor their own major tournaments? That's what a real rival would look like.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:25 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
so you don't like comparing apples to apples. Got it.
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A big point of LIV is getting rid of the dead weight
Then why do they have so much dead weight playing in the event?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:32 pm to SDwhodat
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True, but one of the main things the USGA guy focused on was the "open" nature of the tournament and the fact that they did not want to change the rules.
they also said this, which seems to leave it open for further discussion
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Meanwhile, the USGA had been relatively quiet on the matter, issuing a statement last week to Golf Digest that it reserved the right “to review any competitor’s situation on a case-by-case basis" regarding possible action against LIV Golf associates.
My honest opinion is that the majors will ultimately say that players who are exempt can still play as long as they're exempt and the others will have to qualify based on each major's qualification guidelines. For most, that will be them relying on LIV getting their OWGR status approves.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:36 pm to bamameister
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This league wants to be its own entity, as a legitimate rival to the PGA. 8 tournaments are not how Norman envisions it. It's just a start, day one. They want to keep taking talent, wherever they can, preferably, many more PGA players, I'm sure, just like the old AFL of football and the old ABA of basketball, leagues who ended up genuine rivals. They want to recruit the best of the best of the young talent out of the amateur ranks. Which they already are doing. Norman is talking about the long run.
Pretty easy to do when you have an open checkbook like the LIV. The ABA and AFL still had to be disciplined with their money and couldn't just try and outbid the NBA and NFL for all of the players.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:41 pm to RedHawk
The fact a tournament carrying 132 players has the same SOF as a tournament with 48 is a HUGE knock on the field of 48 in terms of the top talent
The data is telling you the field of 132 has far better talent, but also far worse talent outside their top 48
Mingo doesn’t want you to think about that though
No fan goes to a tournament and thinks, man I sure hope the worst guys in here that I’m not going to follow at all aren’t bad. They think, I sure hope I can watch the top guys. And this week, the RBC kicks LIVs arse
The data is telling you the field of 132 has far better talent, but also far worse talent outside their top 48
Mingo doesn’t want you to think about that though
No fan goes to a tournament and thinks, man I sure hope the worst guys in here that I’m not going to follow at all aren’t bad. They think, I sure hope I can watch the top guys. And this week, the RBC kicks LIVs arse
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:45 pm to MEd LSU
PGA is going to end up marginalizing itself and will end up reversing this decision.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:46 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:Reversing this decision ends them immediately
PGA is going to end up marginalizing itself and will end up reversing this decision
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:48 pm to RedHawk
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Pretty easy to do when you have an open checkbook like the LIV. The ABA and AFL still had to be disciplined with their money and couldn't just try and outbid the NBA and NFL for all of the players.
Lamar Hunt, Al Davis, Bud Adams, and others knew what they were doing. All had great football minds as well. Guys like Joe Willie Namath were number one picks and they got much better offers than the NFL. Greg Norman is doing it the right way. It's not just money.
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