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re: Peter King's All-Time Top 10 Running Backs
Posted on 1/7/12 at 3:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/7/12 at 3:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well it depends on how you frame the argument. best RB v. best career for a RB
I don't care what ANYONE says. If he were to stay healthy for at least 10 years Gale Sayers would be the answer. There are no debates about it.
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Posted on 1/7/12 at 3:28 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
The big * was Barry Sanders' team.
Had Sanders had a capable OL, he would own every record a RB could own. He averaged 5.0 ypc behind a mediocre OL.
But that would only move him to #2.
Jim Brown was the greatest RB of all time. Period. I have no objective basis to even look at anyone else.
Had Sanders had a capable OL, he would own every record a RB could own. He averaged 5.0 ypc behind a mediocre OL.
But that would only move him to #2.
Jim Brown was the greatest RB of all time. Period. I have no objective basis to even look at anyone else.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 3:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
Emmitt Smith in no way sucked, but he may be the most overrated "all time" running back, gasp, of all time. 
Guy was a very good running back, but had a ton of benefits that guys like Brown, Payton and Sanders didn't.
I'd put Emmitt in the #7 to #10 range at highest.
Guy was a very good running back, but had a ton of benefits that guys like Brown, Payton and Sanders didn't.
I'd put Emmitt in the #7 to #10 range at highest.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 4:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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look at the stats i pointed earlier. his ypc jumped about a yard and a fricking half when he went to the martz systme
Alright, lots of numbers, because I like numbers:
Last year in IND vs 1st 3 years in STL
1998- 324 att, 1319 yds, 6TDs, 86 rec, 908 yds, 4TDs
1999- 253 att, 1381 yds, 7TDs, 87 rec, 1048 yds, 5TDs
2000- 253 att, 1359 yds, 18TDs, 81 rec, 830 yds, 8TDs
2001- 260 att, 1382 yds, 12TDs, 83 rec, 765 yds, 9TDs
1064 rushyds/season, 560.8 recyds/season with Colts (5 years...worth noting that his final season with Peyton Manning as QB led to 908 Rec yds)
With the Rams (and I added the 292 yards of his final season, but did the average as if it were 6, not 7 seasons (boosting it a little, as seems fair for 65 carries))
1159.8 rushyds/season, 678.5 rushyds/season
YPC drastically shot up during his first 3 seasons with the Rams (total production wasn't very much different, though), but the '97 and '98 Colts were each 3-13. The '99 Rams were 13-3. Faulk was no longer the only threat on his team. It seems like you want to penalize him for playing on a good team.
If you don't mind sharing, what are your thoughts on Emmitt Smith?
Lagniappe: Funny thing is, you would think that the decreased workload of "the Martz System" (with very similar numbers) would increase the longevity of a player like Faulk, but he winds up getting hurt and declining earlier than in his career than expected.
ETA: Based on sheer athleticism and being arguably the best receiving threat out of the backfield (6875 yds, 36TDs), I think he deserves a look, despite the handicap(?) of playing on one of the best offenses in history.
This post was edited on 1/7/12 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/7/12 at 4:52 pm to Hopeful Doc
Double post
This post was edited on 1/7/12 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 1/7/12 at 4:52 pm to Hopeful Doc
IMO any list that doesn't have Barry Sanders as number 1 is wrong.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 5:08 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Barry Sanders is the greatest one in my lifetime. I'm not old enough to have watched the others.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 5:16 pm to dukke v
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I don't care what ANYONE says. If he were to stay healthy for at least 10 years Gale Sayers would be the answer. There are no debates about it.
Indeed. Bo Jackson would appear on the list as well.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 5:57 pm to titmouse
It's about career vs talent. Career has guys like Emmitt and payton. But talent, you have to consider the campbells, jacksons and sayers of the world. So is it talent or overall?
I think i go payton, considering both.
I think i go payton, considering both.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 6:00 pm to DaGarun
Emmitt had longevity that is rare for a RB, and that is why his record will not be broken.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 6:05 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
No Marshall Faulk = joke
Posted on 1/7/12 at 6:16 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
I saw all of the backs on the list except for Motley and Grainge.
I would probably put Faulk on the list in place of Lenny Moore.
I would probably put Faulk on the list in place of Lenny Moore.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 6:37 pm to Jamohn
Payton belongs where he is because of his complete pachage. Sanders was unreliable in a goal line situations and he wasn't a good blocker either.
Posted on 1/7/12 at 6:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Faulk should be top3
Posted on 1/7/12 at 6:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Did you see Payton, Brown, Sanders, or Sayers?
Posted on 1/8/12 at 12:17 am to COTiger
Anybody who argues with the top 5. . .
. . .crazy
. . .crazy
Posted on 1/8/12 at 11:15 pm to Roaad
I have to go with Payton if I got to pick someone off this list to stay on my team for 10 years.
Best overall back I ever watched play.
the whole Jim Brown thing throws me tho, cuz I never really saw any extensive footage of him. I know he was great, but I guess out of sight out of mind.
Best overall back I ever watched play.
the whole Jim Brown thing throws me tho, cuz I never really saw any extensive footage of him. I know he was great, but I guess out of sight out of mind.
Posted on 1/8/12 at 11:27 pm to extremetigerfanatic
Marshall FAulk with the Colts was their leading rusher and pass catcher for 2-3 years until they got Marvin Harrison.
yes the STL offense helped him, but he also played with a HOF QB and 2 potential HOF WRs. He was all they had in Indy which is why his numbers werent as good.
yes the STL offense helped him, but he also played with a HOF QB and 2 potential HOF WRs. He was all they had in Indy which is why his numbers werent as good.
Posted on 1/8/12 at 11:33 pm to Lester Earl
Where is Eric Dickerson, the college teammate of Craig James who killed 5 hookers while at SMU?
Posted on 1/9/12 at 7:34 am to Hopeful Doc
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but the '97 and '98 Colts were each 3-13. The '99 Rams were 13-3.
the 1998 rams were 4-12. martz's offensive system changed everything
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It seems like you want to penalize him for playing on a good team.
-on a good team
+in a revolutionary offensive system that inflated RB stats
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what are your thoughts on Emmitt Smith?
tough runner and major compiler who ran behind a revolutionary offensive line. i don't have him in my top 10
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you would think that the decreased workload of "the Martz System" (with very similar numbers) would increase the longevity of a player like Faulk, but he winds up getting hurt and declining earlier than in his career than expected.
he was a small RB and injuries are random and have nothing to do with the system
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ETA: Based on sheer athleticism and being arguably the best receiving threat out of the backfield (6875 yds, 36TDs), I think he deserves a look, despite the handicap(?) of playing on one of the best offenses in history.
again. what did he do better than LT? LT has had a 100 reception year, too
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