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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What is morally right? Doing what you can to stop this guy from doing it again? Or passing the information to someone else? What is morally right?
re: firing Jo Pa.
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
if I see a 2 year old kid walking on a busy street near traffic by themself I can call the cops and let them know about it and keep on driving to my destination and I have met the minimum requirement.
...or I could get out help the child to safety and attempt to find the parents and make sure the kid doesn't get run over.
...or I could get out help the child to safety and attempt to find the parents and make sure the kid doesn't get run over.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:22 pm to Lester Earl
I doubt JoPa will be fired. If so, its the right thing to do. I am sure he will not be the only one who's head will roll. Probably resign or be reassigned.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:22 pm to Rickety Cricket
that point is why I don't buy a fricking word of any of this.
Someone with that much control is aware of the smallest minutiae in an organization or program like this. Due to his age, I'll admit that he could be aware of a lot less, but nothing on this scale.
Something like this would filter up to him so fast, in so many different directions that I find it absolutely impossible that he didn't know what occurred. In detail.
Of course that's just my opinion, but for the sake of argument I'll judge him based on available facts.
Someone with that much control is aware of the smallest minutiae in an organization or program like this. Due to his age, I'll admit that he could be aware of a lot less, but nothing on this scale.
Something like this would filter up to him so fast, in so many different directions that I find it absolutely impossible that he didn't know what occurred. In detail.
Of course that's just my opinion, but for the sake of argument I'll judge him based on available facts.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:23 pm to Tiger Ryno
Haven't read this thread and still not entirely in the loop as far as this story goes. I did, however, read the indictment or whatever with victims 1-8, and this is absolutely some sick shite. Anyone know what the main Penn State board is? I'm curious as to what their fan base has to say about this
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:23 pm to Flatt2Flowers04
Scout board has a free section
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:26 pm to PuntBamaPunt
still nobody has mentioned or answered by McQueary didn't stop the rape of a 10 yr old he witnessed in person.
What if Sandusky had just been beating the hell out of the kid? Would he step in then?
I just have SO many questions about all of this that it makes me sick.
What if Sandusky had just been beating the hell out of the kid? Would he step in then?
I just have SO many questions about all of this that it makes me sick.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:28 pm to LfcSU3520
Don't know. Whether willingly or unwillingly, it appears that McQueary and Paterno are part of the conspiracy to cover up the events and what was happening. If fired, they only have themselves to blame for not covering their own arse and reporting it to the correct authority.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:28 pm to LfcSU3520
There is no doubt in my mind that the PSU officials, including Paterno and McQueary, attempted to sweep this under the rug. However, as others have said, I will base my opinions for now just on the facts known and testified to.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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naw, that is imagined. Most of us are clearly not doing that.
Well we aren't "defending molestation" either, yet are being accused as such.
If it is imagined, then my apologies. But that's the vibe I was getting from some.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most of us do.
That hasn't came across clear, at all.
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Most of us don't live by technicalities.
Then you must be some type of cyborg. I think we have run-ins with both in everyday life; whether you want to face that or not; whether you are even aware of it or not.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:31 pm to CocomoLSU
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Well we aren't "defending molestation" either, yet are being accused as such.
Don't think so, but it does appear some people don't realize the severity of the accusations.
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If it is imagined, then my apologies. But that's the vibe I was getting from some.
Paterno may only be guilty of his bad judgement, and even then has only himself to blame. Same for anyone else involved.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:32 pm to CocomoLSU
Everyone just wants answers and details. I have a feeling that a lot of them will come out and that they'll be pretty damning.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:33 pm to LfcSU3520
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still nobody has mentioned or answered by McQueary didn't stop the rape of a 10 yr old he witnessed in person
This is criminally negligable in my opinion and he should answer for it. my guess is he will be a major prosecution witness and he won't be charged with anything legally. He should be fired and hit coaching days are likely over.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:36 pm to CocomoLSU
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Well we aren't "defending molestation" either, yet are being accused as such.
I don't believe anyone here no matter how much I may disagree with their opinion is actually defending the sicko. All of us are in agreement on that sick bastard.
I just think some people underestimate the priciple that evil will run wild when good men do nothing. Read the history of how Hitler came into such power.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:43 pm to Rickety Cricket
what if...
remember, so far we've only heard one side of this story. what if Paterno reported the incident to the AD (I believe i read that the GA didn't tell Paterno exactly what he saw), and the AD and others decided they had to keep Paterno as far away from this as possible, so they assured him they would handle it, but instead covered it up. For all we know as of now, Paterno may have been repeatedly asking what the status was, and the AD may have been repeatedly telling him it was under control. Why would Paterno have any reason not to believe the AD? He could have assumed the police were involved, he could have been told the police were involved by the AD. He was summoned to testify before the grand jury, so why would he not think the legal system was working it out?
I know there a lot of assumptions and unanswered questions right now, but I don't think we should be so quick to crucify Paterno until more information comes out.
That being said, I do now think Paterno will resign, probably this week.
remember, so far we've only heard one side of this story. what if Paterno reported the incident to the AD (I believe i read that the GA didn't tell Paterno exactly what he saw), and the AD and others decided they had to keep Paterno as far away from this as possible, so they assured him they would handle it, but instead covered it up. For all we know as of now, Paterno may have been repeatedly asking what the status was, and the AD may have been repeatedly telling him it was under control. Why would Paterno have any reason not to believe the AD? He could have assumed the police were involved, he could have been told the police were involved by the AD. He was summoned to testify before the grand jury, so why would he not think the legal system was working it out?
I know there a lot of assumptions and unanswered questions right now, but I don't think we should be so quick to crucify Paterno until more information comes out.
That being said, I do now think Paterno will resign, probably this week.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:45 pm to vatek
yeah right
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:45 pm to Tiger Ryno
Paterno should be fired without prior warning by the penn st. president during a very public press conference.
he is a piece of garbage who enabled this predator. he's informed that sandusky is hasving sex with a 10 yr old in a shower and doesnt call the police? he doesnt wonder why the piece of shite keeps showing up after the event? and dont bother defending him with the notion that he didnt know details. he knew.
he is a piece of garbage who enabled this predator. he's informed that sandusky is hasving sex with a 10 yr old in a shower and doesnt call the police? he doesnt wonder why the piece of shite keeps showing up after the event? and dont bother defending him with the notion that he didnt know details. he knew.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your reaction to crimes of any type is to tell your superior? C'mon man.
Reaction to crimes? No. Reaction to allegations? Maybe so.
If someone walked into my office and said they saw a child being raped downstairs, I would likely report it to our director or to security. I wouldn't just call the cops. If I witnessed it personally, I'd call the cops and hope I'd try to intervene in some way. Allegations simply aren't the same thing as witnessing a crime take place IMO.
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