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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wait, you hear that someone is being raped behind your building and you go to your boss? C'mon man. I imagine your boss would tell you to call the fricking police.
It is very off that McQueary didn't call the cops. If I walked into my office bathroom and saw a man raping a child, I certainly would think to call the cops before my boss.
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:03 pm to TreyAnastasio
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no one is saying what the ginger did was right either. If you would like to discuss his actions, and consequences from those actions, start a thread about it. This one is about Joepa.
Yep. Clearly some people are defending JoPa based on who he is, and not objectively looking at the information. Everyone under the bus, except JP
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:04 pm to TreyAnastasio
McQueary is a piece used to alert you of your hypocrisy on Joe Pa.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:04 pm to LfcSU3520
Is it known if Paterno followed up or not?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why the debate...
Because the original point was that "JP did the same thing as Sandusky." And that's bullshite.
I feel like a lot of the villification of JP is because of what Sandusky did, not what JP didn't do (not all, but some).
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:04 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Paterno is as guilty as sandusky in my opinion because of his cowardice
and I stand by this. I'm not saying Joe paterno should be convicted of being a sexual molester. but I am saying his lack of follow through at best and deliberate cover up at worst put more kids into jeapardy and in that regard he is GUILTY one way or the other. If he had done more to ensure the cops were involved right away, other kids would have been spared. Joe wasn't the only one who dropped the ball but he was a major one.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:04 pm to Rickety Cricket
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It is very off that McQueary didn't call the cops. If I walked into my office bathroom and saw a man raping a child, I certainly would think to call the cops before my boss.
It appears that both McQueary and JoPa both didn't own the information and kept passing the buck.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:05 pm to CocomoLSU
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Because the original point was that "JP did the same thing as Sandusky." And that's bullshite.
No one in this thread with anything meaningful to say was equating Joepa's alleged failure to act with Sandusky's behavior.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:05 pm to WDE24
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Why do you keep posting this? Those are not facts.
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That is what Joe Pa testified to in front of the grand jury.
ETA: Except Joe Pa claims he was told it was fondling or something sexual in nature as opposed to rape. Same principal applies.
I agree it should have been reported.
But there is a pretty big difference, between what was said and what people are saying here. What I read is that he was "wrestling" with the kid and touched him inappropriately. Both morally wrong but far from he as raping the kid in the locker room.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:05 pm to CocomoLSU
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Because the original point was that "JP did the same thing as Sandusky." And that's bullshite.
Agree
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I feel like a lot of the villification of JP is because of what Sandusky did, not what JP didn't do (not all, but some).
naw, that is imagined. Most of us are clearly not doing that.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:06 pm to TreyAnastasio
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This goes way outside protocol. This isn't theft or drug use.
But the allegations should be handled the same way initially.
Note: I'd feel different if it was JP who witnessed the initial crime. But it wasn't. It was someone else, who brought it to his attention, and he then immediately brought it to his superiors' attention.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:06 pm to CocomoLSU
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But I won't necessarily condemn JP for hiring him.
do you not see the absolutely MASSIVE logical gap here?
He alleged that a close friend and assistant banged a child in your locker room. Then (if everything is to be believed) once it was out of your hands, nothing came of it.
Hmmm...ok. Why? Did that not happen? Cause if it didn't, then the man I'm about to hire is a horrible disgusting liar.
Either way, if I'm about to make a hire like that, and there's an issue like that in his history, I need that cleared up completely.
It either suggests that Paterno is senile at best, or involved deeper in the coverup at worst.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:07 pm to LfcSU3520
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are you honestly sitting there saying that you wouldn't go check on the status of this frequently? Like all the goddamn time?
A close friend of mine and something horrible like that possibly happening in MY locker room? I'm knocking down every door until that is handled properly.
I can't say how I'd handle it...I'm not the head coach of a super prestigious football program. I would, however, have faith in my superiors to handle things and not be corrupt.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:07 pm to castorinho
Well,this was from the article linked.
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When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:07 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:When someone you trust is telling you a child is being molested in your locker room, you don't handle it the same way you do drug use or theft.
But the allegations should be handled the same way initially.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:08 pm to Rickety Cricket
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It is very off that McQueary didn't call the cops. If I walked into my office bathroom and saw a man raping a child, I certainly would think to call the cops before my boss.
yes of course.
Also how about "Hey, Jerry, stop doing that!" How in the world did he not intervene on a CHILD RAPE?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:08 pm to Tiger Ryno
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This is what I don't get with people saying Joe did it right.
For the record, I'm not saying Joe "did right." I'm saying that he did SOMETHING. Kinda like he did "right enough." If I were him, I would have checked up on it. And maybe he did. We don't know yet.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:08 pm to CocomoLSU
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But the allegations should be handled the same way initially.
They absolutely should not. Benefit of the doubt should be thrown immediately out of the window. If he's innocent the cops will discover that.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:08 pm to castorinho
quote:You need to read up then.
But there is a pretty big difference, between what was said and what people are saying here. What I read is that he was "wrestling" with the kid and touched him inappropriately. Both morally wrong but far from he as raping the kid in the locker room.
The GA witnessed a 10 yo being raped in the locker room. Called his dad and then called Joe Pa and told him.
[link=( https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6270)]Grand Jury Findings of Fact[/link]
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 4:10 pm
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