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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:46 pm to WDE24
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:46 pm to WDE24
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but what he admitted to knowing is enough for him to catch hell for not making sure the authorities were involved.
This is such a simple concept to understand yet there are some here that are too invested in their opinions to open their eyes to common sense.
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:46 pm to LfcSU3520
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Also, McQueary? Something's up there. How the frick does he SEE this happen, and then realize that appropriate actions aren't being taken, and then CONTINUE to work there, where Sandusky is still allowed. That stinks to high heavens as well.
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense at all. If anything, I'd put him at the top of the whole "the program/my career is worth more than raped children" thing.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:46 pm to Lester Earl
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as i said earlier, there are 2 things he could have done when he got that info. He choose one of the things I would have deemed acceptable
You think it's acceptable not to call the police or to follow up with your superiors after a child has been raped?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:47 pm to WDE24
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If you don't know you should probably stop defending him.
He acknowledged that his GA told him he witnessed inappropriate sexual conduct between Sandusky and a 10 year old in the PSU locker room shower. He claims not to have been told any details, which I highly doubt, but what he admitted to knowing is enough for him to catch hell for not making sure the authorities were involved.
Oh, so you mean the part of the 23-page document that I actually posted about 5 pages back. Gotcha. I didn't know if there was something else I was missing. Thanks.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:47 pm to CocomoLSU
His former player and current assistant coach came to him and gave him an account of witnessing a 10 year old getting raped in his locker room. That rape was never reported to the police.
There is no getting around that.
Joe Pa either has to determine that his GA made it up or was unreliable, or he has to go to the police. He did neither.
There is no getting around that.
Joe Pa either has to determine that his GA made it up or was unreliable, or he has to go to the police. He did neither.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:48 pm to CocomoLSU
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If anything, I'd put him at the top of the whole "the program/my career is worth more than raped children" thing.
Im with ya
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:48 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:You should probably go back and read it.
Oh, so you mean the part of the 23-page document that I actually posted about 5 pages back.
quote:Apparently you are missing something.
I didn't know if there was something else I was missing. Thanks.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:49 pm to LfcSU3520
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what the frick kind of cop out is this?
It's not a cop out at all. He has to shoulder some blame here, but he's at the back of the line.
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If you can honestly sit here and say that if someone beneath you came and told you that one of your assistants was anally raping a child in your bathroom and you would only then pass that info to your boss, then you're a sick human being imo.
pretty sure he was retired at this point and not on Joe Pa's staff.
I don't see how that makes him a "sick human" to pass that off to his boss. You are smarter than that. Think about what you are saying.
his GA comes to him with his info about someone he has worked with for 30 years; do you expect him to pick up a musket and go chase down Sandusky on some man hunt?
I'm sure he felt the need to discuss it with his superiors. It was a 2nd hand allegation at that point.
McQueary did the wrong thing. He'll be the first person they talk to about this. He holds the key, and is the true piece of shite here.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:49 pm to CocomoLSU
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I would hope he knew of the allegations...that's difficult to hide I imagine. But they were allegations
wait a second here.
So McQueary comes into JoePa's office and says "Hey coach, last night I saw Jerry in the locker room showers with his weiner in a 10 yr old's butt"
Joe Pa then just considers these 'allegations'. Fine.
Then he hires that man to be his recruiting coordinator and keeps him around the program in a trusted position? Huge discrepancy there.
If someone came to me with an accusation like that of a friend of mine, we SHALL be getting to the bottom of it. And if I didn't 100% trust the person making an accusation like that, he sure as frick wouldn't be working for me a decade later in a very important position.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:49 pm to CocomoLSU
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Yeah, that doesn't make much sense at all. If anything, I'd put him at the top of the whole "the program/my career is worth more than raped children" thing.
No doubt, and I doubt many others would disagree but we are talking about JoPa here. Hell, I thought McQueary was last involved with PSU when he threw his last pass. I believe JoPa is the subject and most of us agree that if he knew, which he claims he does, then he is responsible for that information.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:49 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Interesting you have an issue with my statement about Joe knowing yet it is OK for you to make the following?
I don't follow. It's severely alleged that Sandusky used PSU facilities to do bad shite with kids. Are you saying that JP knew that Sandusky was raping kids ongoing for the last 10+ years in PSU showers? Because if so, then we can just agree to disagree, because I do not believe that, and won't until it is proven otherwise.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:50 pm to Lester Earl
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It's not a cop out at all. He has to shoulder some blame here, but he's at the back of the line.
Why does it matter where he is in the line? Hes at fault.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:50 pm to WDE24
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His former player and current assistant coach came to him and gave him an account of witnessing a 10 year old getting raped in his locker room.
Why do you keep posting this? Those are not facts.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:51 pm to TreyAnastasio
it's crazy this thread has actually reached 24 pages and people actually debate it
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:51 pm to bisonduck
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He needs to resign. I don't believe he deserves more than that but he should be representing the university any longer.
I agree with that. Regardless of his level of involvement, he was likely involved in some way. Anything associated with all this shite should be fired/retire/quit/etc. PSU will need a complete overhaul after this.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:51 pm to CocomoLSU
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Yeah, that doesn't make much sense at all. If anything, I'd put him at the top of the whole "the program/my career is worth more than raped children" thing.
Interesting because that is one of my points I suggest Joe Pa's reason he handled it the way he did. Now you are getting it.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:51 pm to castorinho
quote:That is what Joe Pa testified to in front of the grand jury.
Why do you keep posting this? Those are not facts.
ETA: Except Joe Pa claims he was told it was fondling or something sexual in nature as opposed to rape. Same principal applies.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:52 pm to TreyAnastasio
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But people are acting like, and even saying specifically, that JP's actions were equal to Sandusky's, which is ridiculous IMO.
I dont think anyone is saying that
From the OP:
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Paterno is as guilty as sandusky in my opinion because of his cowardice
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:52 pm to CocomoLSU
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He needs to resign. I don't believe he deserves more than that but he should be representing the university any longer.
I agree with that. Regardless of his level of involvement, he was likely involved in some way. Anything associated with all this shite should be fired/retire/quit/etc. PSU will need a complete overhaul after this.
Why the debate...
I think that is what most of us have been saying all long. Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:52 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Why does it matter where he is in the line? Hes at fault.
because of people like you that lump him in the same category as child molesters and Nazis.
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