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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:08 pm to CocomoLSU
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:08 pm to CocomoLSU
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Actually, the main people "defending" him are simply pointing out that he is being villified based on pure speculation (at this point). That's it.
I don't think so. In fact, I think the opposite is true. If what we know is true, Paterno dropped the ball. If you speculate something else happened and Paterno may have done more. well...that is the definition of "pure speculation."
I had a friend (yeah, anecdotal story) years ago who came to me and told me he had a problem. He had been in trouble for inappropriately touching two of his teenage daughters friends. Long story short, I was part of his "intervention team" and went to counseling with him, etc. I told him this, that if I ever saw any of his triggers, I am going to him first to talk to him about it. If I ever heard of him going too far, and possibly hurting some kid, I am going straight to the cops.
You don't play the pussy when this stuff happens, you go straight to the people who will do something, and Paterno didn't. His fault and rightly he is facing criticism.
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:10 pm to TreyAnastasio
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He did
Joe pa did what was needed to do, he told the AD about what was told to him, he didn't witness anything, he was cleared by the grand jury already. A grad student notified Patero, why didn't the grad student go to the police..why isn't it his fault?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:10 pm to Rickety Cricket
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There is no way you can argue that Paterno handled this the right way.
again you just assume he knew all along that this was ongoing.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
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again you just assume he knew all along that this was ongoing.
Even if he only knew of one incident. you think passing the buck was "the right thing to do?"
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
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again you just assume he knew all along that this was ongoing.
He knew about the 98 incident and the 02 one
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:12 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Yes it does. Not going to the police with this is wrong. Very wrong, and I don't know how you can make an argument to the contrary.
Right, and JP isn't absolved. But he did report it to his superiors, who then met with the grad assistant, and things went from there. JP did everything right (in a legal sense). Should he have gone to the cops? Maybe eventually. Maybe he was told that the cops were involved and it was being investigated. Maybe he was told that it was all true and they were keeping it under wraps. We don't know at this point.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:12 pm to VolsFan24
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Joe pa did what was needed to do, he told the AD about what was told to him, he didn't witness anything, he was cleared by the grand jury already. A grad student notified Patero, why didn't the grad student go to the police..why isn't it his fault
No. going to the police is what he needed to do. Anything short of that is the wrong thing to do. No getting around that. And the GA is at fault too. No one has ever said he isn't.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:12 pm to Lester Earl
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again you just assume he knew all along that this was ongoing.
I'm making one assumption: that Paterno knew his friend and long-time coordinator was being investigated in 98 for inappropriate sexual behavior with a child in the football locker room. I don't think it's a stretch to assume Paterno knew of these allegations.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:13 pm to Lester Earl
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of course he knew Sandusky was raping kids for 10 years. He just turned his head. Shoot, judging by people in this thread, he might as well have partook in these molestations.
I'm not saying he knew what Sandusky was doing. I'm saying he knew that someone saw Sandusky showering with a boy in the football facilities and never brought it to light.
Maybe you first report it to your boss, but you don't stay quiet while nothing gets done about it.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:13 pm to TreyAnastasio
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I think its funny how the people defending the pedophilia are from the South
Go frick yourself, dude. Not one person in here is defending pedophilia. Jesus frick, you're an a-hole and an idiot with that shite.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:14 pm to CocomoLSU
Just read the grand jury's finding of facts and Joe Pa should step down and apologize. He absolutely dropped the ball and is being less than forthcoming in his public comments on the matter.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:14 pm to Lester Earl
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of course he knew Sandusky was raping kids for 10 years. He just turned his head. Shoot, judging by people in this thread, he might as well have partook in these molestations.
Allowing parents to unknowingly drop their children off to a pedophile coach is a very big deal. Parents instruct their kids to listen and obey their coaches when they are not around. This is a recipe for disaster. Anyone who knew had the moral obligation to end it right then and there. This is not like a drug problem that you report to your higher ups and walk away. Whoever knew will have to live with knowing they could've prevented children being abused for the rest of their lives.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Even if he only knew of one incident. you think passing the buck was "the right thing to do?"
as i said earlier, there are 2 things he could have done when he got that info. He choose one of the things I would have deemed acceptable
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:15 pm to uway
quote:He knew he was doing more than showering. It was a 10 year old kid!!!
I'm saying he knew that someone saw Sandusky showering with a boy in the football facilities and never brought it to light.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:15 pm to CocomoLSU
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Go frick yourself, dude. Not one person in here is defending pedophilia. Jesus frick, you're an a-hole and an idiot with that shite.
Seriously brah? It was mocking the person above me who said that the only people who are out to get Joepa are people from b10 country because of football. Calm down.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:15 pm to uway
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Maybe you first report it to your boss, but you don't stay quiet while nothing gets done about it.
Yep, Paterno fricked up. I think most people feel this way and wouldn't let the very few who don't bother anyone about it. If given the information he was given (that we know of) I don't think I could sleep at night until there was some real investigation.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:15 pm to Tiger Ryno
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My guess is this SAndusky creep has been preying on young boys for a long long time. you don't just wake up in your 40's and 50s and start doing this sick crap.
Well, even if that was the case, it's alleged to have gone on from the mid 90s till the mid-late 00s. So that's a long damn time right there, and like you said, that's just the ones that have come forward and given statements. I'm sure he's been doing that kinda shite for a long time, and it sucks that he used his position and access to bribe the kids (taking them to games, tailgates, buying them shite, etc.). Scary shite for parents.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Even if he only knew of one incident. you think passing the buck was "the right thing to do?"
People who do this kind of shite are highly compulsive. If you don't do anything you are a secondary offender.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:17 pm to Lester Earl
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as i said earlier, there are 2 things he could have done when he got that info. He choose one of the things I would have deemed acceptable
We disagree. Passing the buck isn't acceptable, which it appears JoPa did. This was WAY too important to pass on.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:17 pm to Lester Earl
He did know Lester. He did know.
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