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re: Ohio State is only getting consideration because of their name
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:14 am to Glorious
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:14 am to Glorious
quote:
Point proven. No realistic objection
In 2011, Bama was the better team but given the system at the time, I think Okie state deserved a shot given that Bama lost at Home to LSU. Stronger schedule is pretty debatable. Bama's SOS and Okie states were pretty close LINK
Biased because I just didn't want to play Alabama again and being in the Superdome was fricking miserable.
Washington vs tOSU: is a bit different. I really like this Washington team. I think both should get in over the big 10 champ.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:17 am
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:15 am to gobuxgo5
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I'm on your side. I'm stating that SOS, quality wins, ect should all weigh more than Conference champions. Why should bama be punished for losing to Florida and Clemson make it in with a worse loss to Pitt? Same number of games, same record, and bama has looked better all year
I'm on your side. I'm stating that SOS, quality wins, ect should all weigh more than Conference champions. Why should bama be punished for losing to Florida and Clemson make it in with a worse loss to Pitt? Same number of games, same record, and bama has looked better all year
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:20 am to Dire Wolf
Seems like both team's loss was a deciding factor. This feels appropriate considering OKSU didn't play in a conference championship game
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:24 am to gobuxgo5
quote:It blows my mind that PSU and Wisconsin are ranked that high
What does 1968 OSU have to do with beating the current 5,6 and 7th ranked teams?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:25 am to gobuxgo5
quote:
Stooping low buddy
What'd I say?
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:27 am to Geauxgurt
quote:Why?
The point is lack of winning your division, much less your conference, should have consequences.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:28 am to Glorious
quote:
This feels appropriate considering OKSU didn't play in a conference championship game
They still won their conference.Does winning your conference matter if there is a championship game?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:30 am to goldennugget
If I remember right, the Big 12 commish screwed his own conference by not going to bat for Baylor or TCU.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:31 am to Geauxgurt
Same number of wins? They played more games and lost 2. If Pitt just randomly happened to be in the B1G then everyone would have OSU in. Despite 0 analytical statistics changing. SOS, Strength of record, the overall rankings, eye test, ect. Everything would be the same
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:35 am to Dire Wolf
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Does winning your conference matter if there is a championship game?
Playing an extra game vs. what is likely a tough opponent? Hell yea it does. And if it changes the overall resume enough to compel the committee to put them in I'm fine with it. However I see the resume to be the exact same if they don't actually play another game
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:37 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:36 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Why?
because it isn't subjective.
It shouldn't be the end-all argument but it should have some value.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:38 am to Geauxgurt
quote:What circular reasoning. By this logic, there really isn't a solid win available.
Fact is that OSUs big wins are nothing to gloat about seeing as other than Michigan beating Colorado, their other marquee wins came from teams propped up by illusions. Wisconsins great ooc win against LSU was nothing valuable. LSU is a four loss team that couldn't bests depleted UF team at home and has a best win against a 4-loss A&M.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:45 am to Glorious
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Playing an extra game vs. what is likely a tough opponent? Hell yea it does. And if it changes the overall resume enough to compel the committee to put them in I'm fine with it. However I see the resume to be the exact same if they don't actually play another game
in that year, it was conference champ vs Bama who didn't win their division. Even this year that isn't likely to happen, unless it is a 2-loss conference champ or the winner of OU-Okie state for the 4th spot.
I think Ohio state is a lock for the playoffs. As is Clemson and Washington both should if they both win Saturday.
What is interesting is a Big 10 champion Wisconsin could/will be left out after having the hardest schedule in the nation.
I just want to see chaos and how the Committee will handle it. I am rooting for Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida (
) and an ugly bedlam This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:47 am to goldennugget
It's never going to be a perfect system
Perhaps conference winners from the power 5 and 3 at large bids. But will this make a huge profit I don't have a clue
Perhaps conference winners from the power 5 and 3 at large bids. But will this make a huge profit I don't have a clue
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:48 am to goldennugget
If Ohio State and Penn State's resumes were flipped Ohio State would be considered guaranteed in with a win in the Big Ten Championship.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:51 am to goldenbadger08
After getting beat by Pitt and manhandled by Michigan?
No way IMO.
No way IMO.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:53 am to taylork37
If OSU lost to Michigan by 38 no one would be clamoring for them to be one of the 4 playoff teams even as a B1G champ
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:55 am to goldenbadger08
If any team loses a game by 38 points, they should just DQ themselves from consideration
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:56 am to Dire Wolf
quote:Using the current computer models, Composite of 90 models, a win (leaving PSU at 7) would out them at 2-2 vs. top 10, 2-2 vs. top 15 and 4-2 vs top 30.
What is interesting is a Big 10 champion Wisconsin could/will be left out after having the hardest schedule in the nation.
OSU is 3-1 vs top 10 and top 15 and 4-1 vs. Top 30.
The conference championship would bump Wisconsin up (as it should), but it's a benefit of the extra fame within the context of a full season.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:57 am to goldennugget
Agree with the OP; although while every fan base in consideration for the playoff can make an argument with valid points every year, the same fan base can potentially sound hypocritical because the same logic or metric that works for them one year could work against them the next. While it can seem like a fickle process the process isn't the problem, as fans of whatever team your team needs to execute to win.
If Ohio state is left out, block a FG attempt at PSU better and they'd be in, or tackle the block return, or recover the block.
If Mich is out then don't throw interceptions in a rivalry game on the road. P.s don't play the officials card, if you don't make those mistakes then you don't leave the game in the officials hands.
If Wash is left out, don't lose at home while throwing some BAD interceptions in a huge game.
If Wisconsin is left out, don't give up a long, late TD throw to the wolverines one deep receiving threat or don't make any number of mistakes vs Ohio St and you win either game and are in.
Etc, etc, etc...
If Ohio state is left out, block a FG attempt at PSU better and they'd be in, or tackle the block return, or recover the block.
If Mich is out then don't throw interceptions in a rivalry game on the road. P.s don't play the officials card, if you don't make those mistakes then you don't leave the game in the officials hands.
If Wash is left out, don't lose at home while throwing some BAD interceptions in a huge game.
If Wisconsin is left out, don't give up a long, late TD throw to the wolverines one deep receiving threat or don't make any number of mistakes vs Ohio St and you win either game and are in.
Etc, etc, etc...
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 12:02 pm
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