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re: Ohio State is easily deserving of a playoff berth.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:30 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:30 pm to ReauxlTide222
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THE TIEBREAKER WAS BECAUSE THEY BEAT YOU.
I'm getting trolled.
no you just can't read
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:36 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:I know I've spent the last few days arguing against OSU, but I honestly wouldn't be upset if they made it in. I find the scenario incredibly interesting and think I have valid points and opinions that some people are just glossing over(like this great Oklahoma victory).
OSU should be in the playoff. Michigan is the team I would have a problem with (assuming they get the nod over the B1G champ). If for nothing else, they've lost 2 of their last 3, one of which was an unranked team.
But, OSU is a perfectly fine football team and would be fun to see them in the playoff.
Michigan is one reason why I think PSU needs to make it if they win. I'm not against the eye test. I'm against a conference title trumping most of the other stuff we look at. I know Michigan looks like a top 4 team, but damn. We can't just throw teams in the playoff who look like they could be a top 4 team, can we?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I think OSU fans and the committee are committing a crime by openly claiming the Oklahoma game as this top 10 win. A HUGE reason why OSU is comfortably chilling above PSU is because of a complete lie. bullshite.
Dude, what else do you just want to throw out? So now their current ranking means nothing? You have also already thrown out the fact that it was a road game for OSU because you don't believe road/away matters? I'm assuming margin of victory doesn't matter to you.
You are making shite up as you go.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:39 pm to ReauxlTide222
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We can't just throw teams in the playoff who look like they could be a top 4 team, can we?
If the committee is going to throw out conference champions, they should disregard a team that lost by 39 to another team that is right up there with them in the rankings. You have to put Mich in over PSU on body of work and H2H if you're going to go that route (especially if Colorado wins Saturday).
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:41 pm to taylork37
quote:CORRECT.
So now their current ranking means nothing?
Why in the shite would OSU get credit(that puts them in a playoff over PSU) for a complete farce? We're judging what team did and didn't do on a football field.
There is no way humanly possible to say OSU beat a good football team in week 3(or 2? Idk).
Do you think they beat a good football team?
Loss to Houston
LA Monroe
Loss to OSU
6 point win over TCU
5 point win over Texas where Texas scored 40 points
^^^^^Oklahoma through 5 weeks. You think they were a better than average team? There is NO way you think they were an above average football team.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:44 pm to monkeybutt
quote:This is exactly why conference championships shouldn't be the end all be all.
You do realize that if Michigan would have beaten Iowa, OH St wins the division. A game that featured neither OSU or PSU.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:52 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:Huh? And why?
If the committee is going to throw out conference champions, they should disregard a team that lost by 39 to another team that is right up there with them in the rankings
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:00 pm to ReauxlTide222
If you've been arguing that PSU goes over OSU due to close in ranking, hovering in the playoff talk, look at head to head... Then Michigan should go over PSU due to being also close in ranking, hovering in the playoff talk, thumping PSU head to head. But wait... then OSU beat Mich and is hovering in the playoff talk, so they should go over Mich... It's a circle between those 3 closely ranked playoff contenders.
It comes down to the fact that PSU and Mich both lost that second game. It's that simple.
It comes down to the fact that PSU and Mich both lost that second game. It's that simple.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:03 pm to ReauxlTide222
All I'm saying is you can't really have it both ways. You want to put in OSU over PSU on body of work, fine. But, then you can't really put PSU in over Mich just because they won the conference, unless you attach some extra special juice to beating Wisconsin (maybe if PSU beats Wiscy by 35).
But, anyway, you're the guy pounding H2H, and now you'd want to ignore a 39 point beating.
But, anyway, you're the guy pounding H2H, and now you'd want to ignore a 39 point beating.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:10 pm to DallasTiger45
Tbh, not only is Ohio State not worthy of a playoff spot, but neither is Michigan, or any of the teams that cannot win their division or conference title game.
If Alabama, Clemson, and Washington were to all lose, my playoff bracket would consist of the Big 10 Champ, Colorado, the winner of the Bedlam Game, and potentially Navy or Western Michigan if they won their conference title games.
If Alabama, Clemson, and Washington were to all lose, my playoff bracket would consist of the Big 10 Champ, Colorado, the winner of the Bedlam Game, and potentially Navy or Western Michigan if they won their conference title games.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:13 pm to kingbob
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Tbh, not only is Ohio State not worthy of a playoff spot, but neither is Michigan, or any of the teams that cannot win their division or conference title game.
If Alabama, Clemson, and Washington were to all lose, my playoff bracket would consist of the Big 10 Champ, Colorado, the winner of the Bedlam Game, and potentially Navy or Western Michigan if they won their conference title games.
So a 10-2 Okla is worthy of being labeled one of the four best teams in the country while 11-1 OSU that beat Okla on the road is not worthy. Give me a break with some of yalls ridiculous logic.Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:16 pm to monkeybutt
10-2 Oklahoma went 9-0 in their conference. Ohio State couldn't beat a shitty Penn State team with everything on the line. If you want to win the national title, beat the 6 or 7 teams in your division and win your conference.
I think we can weigh Ohio State's extra win verses a conference title. Oklahoma State has a better argument since one of their losses really was nothing but an admitted officiating f$&kup, but the point still stands. A conference championship should matter.
I think we can weigh Ohio State's extra win verses a conference title. Oklahoma State has a better argument since one of their losses really was nothing but an admitted officiating f$&kup, but the point still stands. A conference championship should matter.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:18 pm to kingbob
quote:Is this the same Penn State you're arguing should be in the playoff if they win?
Ohio State couldn't beat a shitty Penn State team with everything on the line.
So they're playoff worthy for one argument but crappy for the other?
quote:So Ohio State could be 11-1 while beating a 2 loss Wisconsin and 2 loss Oklahoma, and both Wisconsin and Oklahoma would be more worthy?
If you want to win the national title, beat the 6 or 7 teams in your division and win your conference.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:20 pm to buckeye_vol
Penn State would have won the games that mattered.
With that being said, they will get killed by Wisconsin.
With that being said, they will get killed by Wisconsin.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:21 pm to kingbob
quote:So Wisconsin, with 2 conference losses, including one to Ohio State, would be more worthy because they happened to play in the easier division of the conference?
With that being said, they will get killed by Wisconsin.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:22 pm to kingbob
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Penn State would have won the games that mattered.
All the games matter for the playoff ranking. What the hell are you talking about. The OSU - Okla game mattered. PSU losing to Pitt and Mich by 39 points mattered. You can't just selectively chose which games "matter"
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:24 pm to kingbob
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10-2 Oklahoma went 9-0 in their conference. Ohio State couldn't beat a shitty Penn State team with everything on the line. If you want to win the national title, beat the 6 or 7 teams in your division and win your conference.
Yea and with the playoffs on the line, due to, you know, your full season resume mattering, Okla couldn't beat an OSU team at home. This stance of yours is ridiculous.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:27 pm to buckeye_vol
They won the games they needed to win.
Should LSU complain because the west is harder than the east or because LSU's cross division opponent is consistently better than every other school's in their division?
If LSU can't beat Bama, they can't win their division. If they can't win their division, they can't win their conference. If they can't win their conference, they can't go to the playoffs.
This is college football. Like major league baseball, it is inherently unfair and unequal. Every team has a schedule and must find the way to make the most of theirs. Ohio State failed to do that as did Michigan. Yes the rules and schedules favor some teams and disadvantage others, but that is f$&king life. Some people get ito college with worse grades because of their ethnicity or their last name. Some people have connections to get them jobs. Some people are born with money or good looks or intelligence. However, it is what we do with the opportunities and the talents we have that determines our success.
Ohio State choked. Penn State didn't.
Should LSU complain because the west is harder than the east or because LSU's cross division opponent is consistently better than every other school's in their division?
If LSU can't beat Bama, they can't win their division. If they can't win their division, they can't win their conference. If they can't win their conference, they can't go to the playoffs.
This is college football. Like major league baseball, it is inherently unfair and unequal. Every team has a schedule and must find the way to make the most of theirs. Ohio State failed to do that as did Michigan. Yes the rules and schedules favor some teams and disadvantage others, but that is f$&king life. Some people get ito college with worse grades because of their ethnicity or their last name. Some people have connections to get them jobs. Some people are born with money or good looks or intelligence. However, it is what we do with the opportunities and the talents we have that determines our success.
Ohio State choked. Penn State didn't.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:28 pm to monkeybutt
Did Ohio State's loss to Penn State matter? Does the Big 10 Title Game matter? Games have never all mattered equally.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:32 pm to kingbob
quote:So non-conference means nothing.
They won the games they needed to win.
By your logic, a team could play 3 P5 conference champions, giving them their only loss, but go 8-1 in conference losing to a team who went 2-1 in an easy non-conference schedule, YET that team is more deserving? And the 3 non-conference champions that they beat are more deserving too?
Why even have a non-conference schedule?
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