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re: OFFICIAL PSU-Sandusky Thread -- NYT reporting JoPa on way out soon

Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by ChemicalXen
Alter, AL
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:34 pm to
It's just so shocking to me how blatant Sandusky was with it. He was caught once at a local high school & twice at Penn St. & he's admitted guilt to at least two different people. None of this makes any difference to Sandusky at all bc he keeps right on doing it. It's like he wanted to be caught but PSU admin wouldn't let him.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 3:35 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
160527 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:34 pm to
iPhone kept correcting it to that so I just allow it instead of fighting it
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31149 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:35 pm to
Haha, that sucks for Gerry.

Speaking of the DA that went missing, I cannot yet make the leap to Sandusky (or Penn St) being involved. There are plenty of people who'd want a DA dead anyway.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36588 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

It's just so shocking to me how blatant Sandusky was with it. He was caught once at a local high school & twice at Penn St. & he's admitted guilt to at least two different people. None of this makes any difference to Jim at all bc he keeps right on doing it. It's like he wanted to be caught but PSU admin wouldn't let him.


I bet his wife new about this shite too. Maybe not, but it would seem hard to believe she didn't.
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:36 pm to
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It's McQueary man- I don't even know how you've slowly morphed this into McCreary

Posted by ChemicalXen
Alter, AL
Member since Jun 2011
918 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:37 pm to
It WAS going on in her basement...
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101863 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:38 pm to
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I bet his wife new about this shite too. Maybe not, but it would seem hard to believe she didn't.


I'm guessing she knew as well.

Makes me wonder about how he had so much unsupervised time with the kids at his house, as well as them adopting about 6-8 kids since they have no biological ones.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36588 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

It WAS going on in her basement...


exactly
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
17362 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:39 pm to
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Maybe Joe Pa thought he was cleared due to nothing coming of the allegation?

This is such a fricked up line of thinking. You hear about a long time assistant sodomizing a 10 year old boy ON CAMPUS in the showers, and you're just gonna be "Oh well, I did the bare minimum, it all good"? No. frick that. You go to the authorities, and at least demand an investigation. Anyone giving Paterno any kind of pass is a piece of shite.

And don't start with the, "He was just following protocol" or "The Powers To Be" were going to handle it. You're a fricking grown man, you do the right thing, and report it.

frick that pedophile lover Paterno.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:42 pm to
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I bet his wife new about this shite too. Maybe not, but it would seem hard to believe she didn't.


People really need to educate themselves on this issue. People put up pretty heavy denial systems...
Posted by xavierTIGER
Black Pearl
Member since Jan 2007
2203 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:42 pm to
She made a call (in addition to several calls from Sandusky himself) to one of the victims prior to his Grand Jury testimoney, presumably on behalf of Sandusky. The victim did not take or return any of the calls. Why the hell hasn't she tried to distance herself from this man?
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:44 pm to
I'm just going to put this here:

LINK
Posted by Alley
Smashville
Member since Sep 2005
3244 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:47 pm to
Mike McQueary is supposedly out recruiting. Yeah, good luck on that.

JoePa is getting ready for the Nebraska game. Ok. He's done.

How these two men see Sandusky around campus and continue business as usual is baffling. Especially McQueary as he witnessed the act.

McQueary – It’s Sandusky. Looks like he’s going to work out again.
JoePa – Yeah.
McQueary – Remember about 10 years ago when I told you about him having sex with that kid in the shower?
JoePa – Geez.
Pause….
JoePa – Well, guess I’ll go take a look at that game film now.
McQueary – Yeah, I gotta go on that recruiting trip tomorrow. See you later.
JoePa – Yep.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37697 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

She made a call (in addition to several calls from Sandusky himself) to one of the victims prior to his Grand Jury testimoney, presumably on behalf of Sandusky. The victim did not take or return any of the calls. Why the hell hasn't she tried to distance herself from this man?


A soccer coach in my old neighborhood was convicted of child sexual stuff. He'd invite his soccer team over after practice/games and had a camera setup in the bathroom to take pictures of them.

When he got out of prison his wife welcomed him back with open arms. Stupid.

Note: If something seems "wrong" with another adult question it and act on it. I didn't like the above dads behaviour in some instances and never talked to the police. To this day, I wish I had.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54697 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:50 pm to
Some of those go way too far and/or are way too soon. However, I liked these:

quote:

Every American has a duty to fight terrorism. If you see something suspicious, tell your boss immediately. Or the next day if you're busy.

quote:

Hey you kids and reporters, GET OFF MY LAWN!
quote:

Someone just told me I'm LeBron-ing the 4th quarter of my career. I don't understand the jive these kids use today.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 3:52 pm
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38336 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:52 pm to
man I hate to be that guy but can someone give me cliff notes of what is going on? I've been real busy with work.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283307 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:53 pm to
Guy I knew, his wife was very supportive as well. Guess they don't see it as a relationship threat.
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

An older woman chasing a younger guy is called a cougar. Does this mean an older guy chasing a young boy called a Nittany Lion?
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54697 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:53 pm to
A quick and only partial summary:

quote:
There was an allegation made in 1998 about Sandusky fondling a kid in the shower. It was investigated by university police, but no charges were brought.

Sandusky surprisingly retired in 1999.

He continued to stay close to the program and use the facilities to bring children to games and practices.

In 2002, he was seen sodomizing a child in the locker room by McQueary, the red headed PSU assitant.

McQueary left the locker room called his dad and then told Paterno about it the next day.

Paterno waited another day to tell his AD and a school VP.

They took Sandusky's keys away and told him no more kids at the facilities, but no one alerted police.

Sandusky continued to run football camps for boys that were associated with PSU.

Sandusky allegedly continued to bring children to PSU practices and games.

Sandusky allegedly was working out at the PSU facilities as recently as last week.


ETA: Timeline

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Here is a timeline of events outlined in a 23-page grand jury report.

1994 or 1995: A boy identified only as Victim 6 meets Mr. Sandusky at a picnic sponsored by The Second Mile when he was 7 or 8.

1994: Meets Victim 7, who is 10. Over the next couple of years, there is shared showering and cuddling when the boy stayed at Mr. Sandusky's home.

1995 or 1996: Victim 5, age 7 or 8, meets Mr. Sandusky through The Second Mile. He says that later, sometime between 1996 and 1998, Mr. Sandusky pins him against a shower wall and places the boy's hand on his penis.

1996 or 1997: Victim 4, age 12 or 13, has indecent contacts with Mr. Sandusky. This victim became a fixture in the Sandusky household and attended many football events over the years. Either before or after alleged sexual assaults, the victim receives expensive gifts from Mr. Sandusky.

1998: Victim 6, age 11, is taken to a locker room in the Penn State football facility, and Mr. Sandusky showers with him, giving him a bear hug. When he was dropped off at home, the boy's mother learns about the shower and contacts university police. A detective listens in on two phone conversations with the mother and Mr. Sandusky on May 13, 1998, and May 19, 1998. Mr. Sandusky admits to the joint showering.

June 1, 1998: State Department of Public Welfare investigator and the university police detective interview Mr. Sandusky. He said he would not shower with children again.

May 1999: PSU football coach Joe Paterno tells Mr. Sandusky he will not be the next head coach at PSU. This precedes Mr. Sandusky's retirement.

Summer 2000: Victim 3, between 7th and 8th grade at the time, meets Mr. Sandusky. He claims his genitals are touched and there are bear hugs in the shower.

Fall 2000: A janitor sees Mr. Sandusky in the shower at the PSU football complex with Victim 8. The boy was pinned against the wall while Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act on him. The janitor tells other janitorial staff and his boss. His supervisor tells him how to make an official report. Such a report is never made; there is discussion among janitorial staff of concern about their jobs if they report the incident.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State football graduate assistant, whose name is not in the presentment but who since has been identified as Mike McQueary, now the team's wide receiver coach and recruiting coordinator, witnesses Mr. Sandusky having sex with Victim 2 in the shower at the Lasch Football Building.

March 2, 2002: Mr. McQueary reports what he saw to Mr. Paterno.

March 3, 2002: Mr. Paterno contacts the PSU athletic director, Tim Curley, his immediate supervisor.

Mid-March 2002: Mr. McQueary meets with Mr. Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business.

Late March or early April 2002: Mr. McQueary hears back from Mr. Curley that Mr. Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz said PSU president Graham Spanier was told that an incident had occurred in the shower but was not given the full details initially reported by Mr. McQueary.

2005 or 2006: Victim 1 meets Mr. Sandusky. In 2007, they start spending time together during the track season at the boy's high school, with the boy staying overnight at Mr. Sandusky's residence in State College, during which sexual activity occurred. Mr. Sandusky gave the boy expensive gifts.

2006 or 2007: A wrestling coach at a Clinton County elementary school enters a weight room at school and finds Victim 1 and Mr. Sandusky lying on their sides in physical contact.

Throughout 2007 and 2008: Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act more than 20 times on Victim 1.

Spring 2008: Victim 1 terminates contact with Mr. Sandusky while a freshman at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County.

Later in 2008: Victim 1's mother contacted the school, which barred Mr. Sandusky from the school and reported the incident to police.

Between January 2008 and July 2009: There were 57 calls from Mr. Sandusky's cell phone to Victim 1's home phone.

September 2010: Mr. Sandusky retires from The Second Mile.

December 2010: Mr. McQueary testifies before grand jury.

Jan. 12, 2011: Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz testify before grand jury.

Nov. 4, 2011: Charges filed against Mr. Sandusky related to sexual abuse of eight boys, and against Mr. Curley and Mr. Shultz for lying to the grand jury and failing to report the incidents to the proper authorities.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54697 posts
Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:54 pm to


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