re: Notre Dame and Louisville to be next members of Big 12?

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hard to consider it a traditional rivalry when both parties plan on taking a break from the series....maybe your definition of rivalry is different than mine?

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No its not at all. Syracuse and Penn State were traditional Rivals, as were Pitt and PSU. Is Texas-Texas A&M not a traditional rival? There are lots of reasons for schools to take a break. Mostly its either hurt feelings or money, not because playing the game is no big deal. I'd guess Michigan playing 9 B1G games, plus maybe a CCG would rather have Directional Michigan or some other rent a win home game OOC.

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and the history of the navy game is why we keep it and always will; great story behind it.

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I'm sure it is, but when 1 team wins 40 in a row, its not a rivlary, its a homecoming game.

I'm not doubting the history or saying its a game that should be canceled, but as one sided as it is, its not a true rivalry. Players don't go to Notre Dame because, man we get to play Navy and back before my grandparents were born, Navy really help ND

Does everyone look forward to Navy week?

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I'm not doubting the history or saying its a game that should be canceled, but as one sided as it is, its not a true rivalry. Players don't go to Notre Dame because, man we get to play Navy and back before my grandparents were born, Navy really help ND

Does everyone look forward to Navy week?

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That has nothing to do with rocket's original post. He was responding to the person saying that the Big Ten is full of ND's "traditional rivals" (as in, ND would be screwed without them) and he responded saying ND only has two opponents it has to play each year, and neither are in the Big Ten. I'd also argue MSU and Purdue definitely are more likely to be kept every year than Michigan, should we be forced to crunch numbers.

ND should join the big ten and the big ten keeps 8 conference games and ND gets to play Navy and USC and rotate in BC and Pitt and Army and play one rent a win each year. With a big ten schedule they'll have about 4 winnabel games each year and 4 tough ones.

If they join the big 12 expect a rotation system so they don't play Texas and OK every year and they keep Purdue, Navy, USC,and MSU on the schedule permanently and keep Michigan on a rotation. Four big 12 games rotated; USC, Purdue, MSU, Navy; as permanet rivals and four games with Michigan and BC rotated in with some patsies like Army and so on. At least four games will be patsies including two from teh big 12 and two out of four rotated teams.

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A) Texas would be pissed beyond belief and not agree (they run the conference).

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If this happens, I guarantee that Texas blessed it. Texas is probably pushing for it.

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B) ND would downgrade in basketball significantly.

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Big 12 Basketball is not a significant downgrade...it's a downgrade, though.

Not sure if this will happen, but I can see it happening.

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Thoughts on this?

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Rick Pitino tried everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, he could to keep Louisville from getting a Big 12 invite the last time this was floated. He desperately wants them to stay in a "basketball conference". Strong on the other hand is all for it. And their AD Jurich is caught somewhere in between.

I'm really interested in seeing on how it pans out. Things could get real ugly in that athletic department depending on how smooth it goes over.

And if it does happen, shame on the Big 12 for not having the balls to tell Notre Dame to shite or get off the pot.

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I have heard Clemson and FSU as potential candidates for the big 12. Lots of smoke about that on other websites. Either way it does appear like the big 12 is looking to expand.

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I have heard this too esp with fsu fans getting sick and tired of the lack luster of acc football and how the big game atmosphere has left and how none of the acc teams outside of clemson bring any fans

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If this happens, I guarantee that Texas blessed it. Texas is probably pushing for it.

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Texas was willing to get rid of its biggest rival (and in fact did get rid of its second biggest rival) to be the clear leader of the conference. Texas will play second-fiddle to nobody, which they would certainly would be if ND came over in a deal like this.

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Big 12 Basketball is not a significant downgrade...it's a downgrade, though.

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I will concede, you're right about this. In fact, with Cuse and Pitt now leaving the Big East and going to the ACC and (if this deal would happen) Louisville to the Big Twelve, I'd actually say the Big Twelve might be the better basketball conference. However...

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Not sure if this will happen, but I can see it happening.

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Of course you can "see it happening". There's a lot of things that could happen. But I've heard absolutely nothing about this and none of our boards are mentioning it at all, so I highly, highly doubt it.

And as stated earlier, this just doesn't make a lot of sense from the Big Twelve's (i.e. Texas) standpoint. It makes a little from ND's, if they get the scheduling freedom stated, but the ACC still is the better fit, based on academic prestige, type of universities (only one private school in the Big Twelve, 5 in the ACC), geographical reach (ND is already a midwest school. Big Twelve wouldn't add much. But the ACC would add the East Coast, all the way from Florida up through New England), other sports (basketball, baseball, lacrosse), etc.