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North Dakota State Bison vs FBS
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:39 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:39 am
While venturing down the rabbit hole reading up on NDSU, I found this remarkable stat. The Bison are 9-3 versus FBS opponents since 2006.
Records verus:
Ball State 1-0
Minnesota 2-1
C. Michigan 1-0
Wyoming 0-1
Iowa State 1-1
Kansas 1-0
Colorado St 1-0
Kansas St 1-0
#13 Iowa 1-0
They have future games against Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado scheduled, so presumably this record will worsen, but that is incredible, even given the competition.
I'd love to see them move up to the FBS. They have absolutely dominated the FCS since 2011, winning 6 of 7 National Titles, and playing for their 7th in a few weeks. They are 112-8 in that span, and 30-2 in the playoffs.
Records verus:
Ball State 1-0
Minnesota 2-1
C. Michigan 1-0
Wyoming 0-1
Iowa State 1-1
Kansas 1-0
Colorado St 1-0
Kansas St 1-0
#13 Iowa 1-0
They have future games against Oregon, Arizona, and Colorado scheduled, so presumably this record will worsen, but that is incredible, even given the competition.
I'd love to see them move up to the FBS. They have absolutely dominated the FCS since 2011, winning 6 of 7 National Titles, and playing for their 7th in a few weeks. They are 112-8 in that span, and 30-2 in the playoffs.
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:40 am to Cowboyfan89
Pretty sure they've won six in a row as well
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:49 am to Cowboyfan89
Sagarin has them rated in the top 20 
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:50 am to Cowboyfan89
They were DII before about 2002 and I believe the only reason they didn’t move up earlier was that they had a huge rivalry with the U of North Dakota, who still hasn’t moved up to FCS.
As far as them moving up, they may do good in the short term like Marshall did upon moving up circa 1997 but, long term, they would unfortunately settle into being a mid-tier or lower mid major.
It’s happened to a lot of the schools which were really successful at the FCS level and moved up like App State, UMass, Georgia Southern, etc
As far as them moving up, they may do good in the short term like Marshall did upon moving up circa 1997 but, long term, they would unfortunately settle into being a mid-tier or lower mid major.
It’s happened to a lot of the schools which were really successful at the FCS level and moved up like App State, UMass, Georgia Southern, etc
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:56 am to Cowboyfan89
I believe they said they weren't looking to move up. Probably smart, as they are doing just fine in FCS and would likely have to get a larger stadium if they moved up, to essentially be App State.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:57 am to Cowboyfan89
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love to see them move up to the FBS.
so they can go 9-3 and finish 2nd in the mountain west east division.
Big frog small pond. Champs.
Or medium sized frog in medium sized pond = So what.
Western Kentucky used to be in ovc. Won a couple of aa championships. Moved up. Got crushed. Moved back. Won big. Moved up again. Now you see them, nothing special in football.
Their hoops benefits from bigger league.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:59 am to Cowboyfan89
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I'd love to see them move up to the FBS.
Why? So they can win 10 games and play in the Waste Management Trash Bowl in front of 5,000 people on a weekday in mid-December?
There have been a few teams like App State who were very successful in FCS and have moved to FBS where their ceiling will only ever been a low-tier bowl game.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:00 am to teke184
North Dakota is D1, FCS, at least they are D1 in hoops.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:04 am to Montezuma
It isn’t just the stadium and other investments in infrastructure.
The difference in player qualifications between FCS and FBS means the NCAA makes you ineligible for a bowl as you transition the remaining FBS players off your roster and, depending on your recruiting strategy, you may be SOL because players you used to get won’t qualify academically to play at a higher level.
It probably hurt Georgia State and Georgia Southern a lot when they made that transition because they used to be recruiting kids not able to go to Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Clemson, etc. Now they are recruiting all the big boys who want to cherry pick talent in their back yard.
ND State isn’t as affected by that as others because the nearest FBS schools are Idaho, Boise St, and Minnesota, but there’s also a lot less FBS talent to choose from up north. That means they need to be able to pick up kids willing to live in Bear’s a-hole, ND, for four years when they could go to SD State, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, etc, instead.
The difference in player qualifications between FCS and FBS means the NCAA makes you ineligible for a bowl as you transition the remaining FBS players off your roster and, depending on your recruiting strategy, you may be SOL because players you used to get won’t qualify academically to play at a higher level.
It probably hurt Georgia State and Georgia Southern a lot when they made that transition because they used to be recruiting kids not able to go to Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Clemson, etc. Now they are recruiting all the big boys who want to cherry pick talent in their back yard.
ND State isn’t as affected by that as others because the nearest FBS schools are Idaho, Boise St, and Minnesota, but there’s also a lot less FBS talent to choose from up north. That means they need to be able to pick up kids willing to live in Bear’s a-hole, ND, for four years when they could go to SD State, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, etc, instead.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:16 am to teke184
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It’s happened to a lot of the schools which were really successful at the FCS level and moved up like App State, UMass, Georgia Southern, etc
App State just won a bowl game, was in the top 25 for the part of the season, and may finish in it. They're moving up successfully. Think NDSU would be similar.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:27 am to usc6158
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App State just won a bowl game, was in the top 25 for the part of the season, and may finish in it. They're moving up successfully. Think NDSU would be similar.
They were winning National Championships in the FCS.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:30 am to Cowboyfan89
They are definitely better than a huge chunk of FBS, probably more than half, but they should stay where they are.
Isn't it better to be an awesome FCS program winning Championships than being an FBS nobody?
I don't understand why schools like Western Kentucky or Georgia Southern moved "up" to FBS. Seems like big fish in a small pond is better for everybody.
Isn't it better to be an awesome FCS program winning Championships than being an FBS nobody?
I don't understand why schools like Western Kentucky or Georgia Southern moved "up" to FBS. Seems like big fish in a small pond is better for everybody.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:36 am to usc6158
Marshall was undefeated and winning bowl games when they transitioned.
A few years later they had bottomed out and were 0-12, which brings back rough memories for that program between their former record losing streak and the infamous plane crash that happened in the midst of it.
Being in FCS and winning titles may not be as sexy as winning bowl games but it’s safer for the school then throwing a ton of money at facilities and scholarships only to see things bottom out a few years later.
Revenue sharing in the Sun Belt, MAC, Mountain West, etc, isn’t significant enough to offset a lot of those cost increases.
A few years later they had bottomed out and were 0-12, which brings back rough memories for that program between their former record losing streak and the infamous plane crash that happened in the midst of it.
Being in FCS and winning titles may not be as sexy as winning bowl games but it’s safer for the school then throwing a ton of money at facilities and scholarships only to see things bottom out a few years later.
Revenue sharing in the Sun Belt, MAC, Mountain West, etc, isn’t significant enough to offset a lot of those cost increases.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:41 am to teke184
Ok and Marshall is now back to being a bowl team. Pretty sure the vast majority of their fans would prefer to be FBS where you can get some recognition and be on TV over FCS where they'd get zero coverage and 1 or 2 games max on normal TV (and those would have to be playoff games).
In the current setup if Marshall goes undefeated in FBS they have a good shot at a NY6 bowl. In FCS they get a title game that plays at 11am on the same Saturday as the NFL Wild Card round is played.
With the way the playoff seems to be moving towards 8 teams it's only matter of time before G5s have a legit shot at winning a title.
In the current setup if Marshall goes undefeated in FBS they have a good shot at a NY6 bowl. In FCS they get a title game that plays at 11am on the same Saturday as the NFL Wild Card round is played.
With the way the playoff seems to be moving towards 8 teams it's only matter of time before G5s have a legit shot at winning a title.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:47 am to teke184
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is an crowd attendance quota for a 2 year span also. (Or something along those line)
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:47 am to Cowboyfan89
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I'd love to see them move up to the FBS
So they can go 13-0, get fricked over by the committee, and never play for a championship again?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:59 am to Bosethus68
In theory there are crowd requirements.
In practice, most small programs fudge that one way or another. Otherwise a lot more small programs would have been relegated back down to FCS by now.
I think the last program to be relegated is/was Idaho and that was because the WAC dissolved and the Sun Belt decided not to keep them, not because of straight attendance woes.
If honest attendance were taken into account rather than either paid or reported attendance, a bunch of big name schools like Rutgers would be in trouble.
In practice, most small programs fudge that one way or another. Otherwise a lot more small programs would have been relegated back down to FCS by now.
I think the last program to be relegated is/was Idaho and that was because the WAC dissolved and the Sun Belt decided not to keep them, not because of straight attendance woes.
If honest attendance were taken into account rather than either paid or reported attendance, a bunch of big name schools like Rutgers would be in trouble.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:03 am to teke184
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I think the last program to be relegated is/was Idaho and that was because the WAC dissolved and the Sun Belt decided not to keep them, not because of straight attendance woes.
Idaho dropped down by their own volition b/c of how hard it was going to be to schedule as an independent in their location. They weren't relegated.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:19 am to Montezuma
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I believe they said they weren't looking to move up. Probably smart
I agree with this, but everything else others have said about them being mid-tier is unfounded speculation. No one in the history of the FCS has made a run like NDSU has over the last 8 years. No one has played in 7 out of 8 National Title games.
The only good reasons for them not moving up are:
1) Being stuck in the Mountain West Conference for eternity. They will never get into a larger conference because that conference will have nothing to gain by adding them in an age where the size of your TV market is all that matters (I'm looking at you, Rutgers).
2) Never getting a shot at a National Title unless the playoff is expanded. As a G5 school, they will never make it into a 4 team playoff.
I don't even know if they could be as good at the next level, but their run is unprecendented when you talk about teams that have moved up to the FBS. You can't compare them to Appalachian State or Marshall. Marshall comes the closest with 5 NC appearances in 6 years, but I still don't think it's comparable considering they only won 2.
I've never understood teams like Georgia Southern, UTSA, Western Kentucky, Texas State, etc. moving up. It had to be strictly about money for them, because with the exception of Georgia Southern, none of tjem had any real sustained success at the FCS level like Georgia Southern or App State.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:42 am to PEPE
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Isn't it better to be an awesome FCS program winning Championships than being an FBS nobody?
How many people actually care about FCS?
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