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re: Non Saints Fans: General Thoughts on Yesterday's Announcements
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:53 pm to HT713
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:53 pm to HT713
Why do i make Saints fans look horrible?
Spygate and bounty gate are very much alike in the big picture.
If you can't see that, then you are a retard.
The specific allegations are not alike. But unprecedented nature of each are identical. Then you have to draw the line of what do you think hurts the game more, cheating, or incentives paid to players if you happen to injure a player within the framework of the game. The NFL is a violent sport. The players are paid to hit one another regardless.
Cheating is more serious and NE got off with a slap on the wrist compared to what just happened to the Saints. Not that I care much, it is in the past. But for people to keep saying its not as a serious and nothing alike are just stupid.
Spygate and bounty gate are very much alike in the big picture.
If you can't see that, then you are a retard.
The specific allegations are not alike. But unprecedented nature of each are identical. Then you have to draw the line of what do you think hurts the game more, cheating, or incentives paid to players if you happen to injure a player within the framework of the game. The NFL is a violent sport. The players are paid to hit one another regardless.
Cheating is more serious and NE got off with a slap on the wrist compared to what just happened to the Saints. Not that I care much, it is in the past. But for people to keep saying its not as a serious and nothing alike are just stupid.
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Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:53 pm to Lester Earl
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Jason La Canfora was talking on NFL network earlier, and stressed that people wouldnt believe how many players have told him that this is normal in NFL locker rooms.
Now why wouldnt Goodell investigate that?
He absolutely should, I agree.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:55 pm to Lester Earl
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Cheating is more serious
Cheating doesn't have the potential result of someone being paralyzed.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:56 pm to Lester Earl
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Cheating is more serious and NE got off with a slap on the wrist compared to what just happened to the Saints. Not that I care much, it is in the past. But for people to keep saying its not as a serious and nothing alike are just stupid.
Cheating is serious, I agree.
But the Saints "cheated" too, per the official document.
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:57 pm to Lester Earl
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Why do i make Saints fans look horrible?
b/c you troll anything not-saints related. I wouldn't be shocked if 75% of your comments on the MSB are to get a reaction. You're a clown.
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Spygate and bounty gate are very much alike in the big picture.
on field vs off field. 3 Sb's vs 1 SB. NFL's big issue (safety) vs one it really has no problem with (cheating).
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Cheating is more serious
in your opinion. Ask Dave Duerson 'bout that.
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d NE got off with a slap on the wrist compared to what just happened to the Saints.
I'll give ya that, there's no debate.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:58 pm to OBUDan
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So what exactly does a bonus for "Cart offs" and "knock outs" mean then?
it's under the same category of getting an INT or a sack and being rewarded. If it happens within the framework of the game, you get rewarded.
It's a reminder for the defenders to go out there, play fast, hit hard, and be football players.
If you are going to sit here an say that Saints players were paid to go out there and intentionally injure players in an illegal manner, than I do not know what to tell you.
And that this went on for 3 years?
And that no one noticed? Not Saints fans who watch every game. Not commentators that have every little slow motion angle at their disposal?
Not even the NFL who were "onto" the Saints in early 2010 season regarding the bounties, but could only close the book on them in the 2011 playoffs?
Not even the 2 QBs (favre and warner) that basically said there was nothing out of the ordinary in the playoff games from 2009 that would lead them to believe the Saints were trying to injure them?
get fricking real
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:58 pm to bddwolfpack
it's hilarious and the ensuing TD meltdown is also sweet
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:58 pm to bddwolfpack
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Cheating doesn't have the potential result of someone being paralyzed.
either does a "bounty" program, however the game of football does
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:59 pm to Freauxzen
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Players came out and tweeted
Oh if some players said it, then it must be true.
Your link says this: ESPN reported that Packers players offered to pay the team's defensive linemen $500 each if they were able to hold Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson to under 100 yards rushing two weeks ago. They offered another $500 for holding Carolina to under 60 yards rushing as a team the next week.
That is a lot different than the bounty program NOLA was running.
This link discusses specifically Washington and how nothing was found.
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The fact of the matter is that RIGHT NOW, there is nothing that proves other people were doing it.
This is like steroids in baseball. Were people doing it? Probably. But until you can prove it, it literally means nothing.
Goodell doesnt care about what teams may or may not have had a bounty program, he cares about the 1 team that was dumb enough to leave evidence of it behind. He isnt going to lessen NOLAs punishment bc their are rumors from players that this was happening in other places.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:59 pm to bddwolfpack
A bit harsh on Payton. Donte Stallworth actually killed someone and received a one year suspension...I don't think the crimes are comparable.
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:01 pm to HT713
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b/c you troll anything not-saints related. I wouldn't be shocked if 75% of your comments on the MSB are to get a reaction. You're a clown.
i haven trolled the MSB in my life. You keep calling me a troll yet you continually argue with me. lol. how stupid are you?
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on field vs off field. 3 Sb's vs 1 SB. NFL's big issue (safety) vs one it really has no problem with (cheating).
filming practices isnt constituted as on field activities to you?
on another note, do you know how much gambling fuels the popularity of the NFL?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:01 pm to Lester Earl
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If you are going to sit here an say that Saints players were paid to go out there and intentionally injure players in an illegal manner, than I do not know what to tell you.
denial is always the first stage in the grieving process...
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:01 pm to Lester Earl
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it's under the same category of getting an INT or a sack and being rewarded. If it happens within the framework of the game, you get rewarded.
2 things I would say is that:
a) According to the document, rewarding for any type of play is a violation (if I understood it correctly).
b) The main difference would be that one implies the intent to hurt someone, the other does not.
To me that is the same as paying a bounty to hurt someone. If you offer incentives for INTs, don't you think players may make riskier decisions to play the ball and try and get picks?
Same goes with a "knock out." They aren't going to casually stumble into knocking someone out. They are going to try for it.
It's the same thing.
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If you are going to sit here an say that Saints players were paid to go out there and intentionally injure players in an illegal manner, than I do not know what to tell you.
And that this went on for 3 years?
And that no one noticed? Not Saints fans who watch every game. Not commentators that have every little slow motion angle at their disposal?
Not even the NFL who were "onto" the Saints in early 2010 season regarding the bounties, but could only close the book on them in the 2011 playoffs?
It seems like a lot of people noticed, to me.
They were a lot of discussions about the questionable play of the Saints defense (same as the Lions this year, etc.).
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:02 pm to HT713
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Lester if the Texans make it all the way this year
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:02 pm to Lester Earl
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on another note, do you know how much gambling fuels the popularity of the NFL?
keep reaching, maybe you'll find that validation somewhere in all these shitty excuses.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:07 pm to OBUDan
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2 things I would say is that:
a) According to the document, rewarding for any type of play is a violation (if I understood it correctly).
b) The main difference would be that one implies the intent to hurt someone, the other does not.
To me that is the same as paying a bounty to hurt someone. If you offer incentives for INTs, don't you think players may make riskier decisions to play the ball and try and get picks?
Same goes with a "knock out." They aren't going to casually stumble into knocking someone out. They are going to try for it.
It's the same thing.
im not saying its not a violation, it absolutely is. But you have to weigh the severity.
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To me that is the same as paying a bounty to hurt someone. If you offer incentives for INTs, don't you think players may make riskier decisions to play the ball and try and get picks?
Same goes with a "knock out." They aren't going to casually stumble into knocking someone out. They are going to try for it.
It's the same thing.
Except you face fines, and even worse, personal foul penalties
do you think the Saints coaching staffs set up injury bounties despite the fact that a personal foul penalty can cost the team a game?
i cant tell you how many times ive seen Payton and even Williams get into the face of a player after a stupid hit.
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They were a lot of discussions about the questionable play of the Saints defense (same as the Lions this year, etc.).
huh? when?
of course they notice when this shite comes out, and everyone runs back and looks at tape.
You could name ANY TEAM in the NFL, right now, and say that they were doing the same thing the Saints were. Whether or not they truly were or not, you can go back and look at film and find "dirty" plays throughout any game. Does that mean they are guilty of trying to injure players?
a facemask call? Hitting defenseless WR over the middle? Hitting a QB high? I mean all happen every game and no one thinks anything of it. But let a bounty come up, and all of a sudden these werent reactionary plays, they were calculated attempts to kill another player
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:14 pm to hiltacular
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Oh if some players said it, then it must be true.
Your link says this: ESPN reported that Packers players offered to pay the team's defensive linemen $500 each if they were able to hold Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson to under 100 yards rushing two weeks ago. They offered another $500 for holding Carolina to under 60 yards rushing as a team the next week.
That is a lot different than the bounty program NOLA was running.
So you think those were the only ones? Come on. If those existed...there's only one rational conclusion. Oh no wait, no other team can do bad things but the Saints. No one else plays to hit hard or rewards such actions? They just stop at holding up running backs? (Which, according to the Saints case, any kind of incentive is illegal, hard hit or not).
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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This link discusses specifically Washington and how nothing was found.
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So they looked at the Redskins a few years after Williams coached there and found no evidence of what happened during his tenure? And they are in the clear?
They just do a better job of covering it up.
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The fact of the matter is that RIGHT NOW, there is nothing that proves other people were doing it.
I COMPLETELY agree with you, we can't effectively charge them or pursue a case legally. Easy call on that.
But really, how the league presents itself? The media? Fans of the opposition? Come on.
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Goodell doesnt care about what teams may or may not have had a bounty program, he cares about the 1 team that was dumb enough to leave evidence of it behind.
True.
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He isnt going to lessen NOLAs punishment bc their are rumors from players that this was happening in other places.
Right. He'll just ask them to make sure they don't have a bounty program. To "ensure" it by meeting with coaches. That's all he'll do.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:18 pm to Freauxzen
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This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:19 pm to bddwolfpack
Punishment is fitting.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 4:21 pm to TTsTowel
Wow, as a football fan we view alot of these defensive players like warriors, gladiators. We see there bloody taped up hands planted in Tha frozen dirt. Once Tha ball is snapped, Tom Brady retreats, at the end of his drop we watch Julius Peppers unblocked screaming in on Bradys blindside. Do you want to watch a "thud" tackle?? frick no! We want Gisele to be crying after she sees that hit! This is a testerone driven game! May I please kick the soap box out from under some of you! Peaple act like Sean Payton was caught skinning out baby unicorns for his gumbo. When I tune in on Sunday's I want to watch grown men football. If this wasn't the case we would all take our loaded dwn coolers and watch the local intramural flag football tournament every Sunday evening.
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