re: No way in hell will this be taken seriously

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-Yes Jabbar and Lebron have similar career paths as far as hype

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Not really.

Alcindor was the greatest high school player ever...and then he was the greatest college player ever.

When Kareem got drafted, he was anointed the GOAT. He went something like 164-4 in high school and college.

He won player of the year 3 times in college. The only reason he didn't win it 4 times was that he couldn't play as a freshman.

Kareem won 7 championships before the NBA...high school and college. LeBron didn't win shite.

When he joined the terrible Bucks...

Alcindor's presence enabled the 1969–70 Bucks to claim second place in the NBA's Eastern Division with a 56–26 record (improved from 27–55 the previous year). And won the championship in his second year.

LeBron don't have shite on Kareem. Where the frick is his championship, year 2...year 3...year 4...not 4...not 5...not 6....

I guess he finally got one without his All-Star team.

You make my point I guess, ppl have short memories of what came before them

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And won the championship in his second year.

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Yeah, Oscar Robertson didn't help with that at all...

The Bucks fell to last place in their division with a losing record when Robertson retired.

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But being reluctant, scared, dis-interested in showing the wold how you can dominate in that skill tells a little something about his make up.

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Yes. It tells use he realized an unimportant, and increasingly despised, exhibition contest is not very important. That's called rationality; it is absent in your quoted statement.

And if you want to make hasty generalizations, then we can say that your irrationality tells us a lot about you. Of course, I cannot properly make that inference, just like you couldn't properly make one above. Maybe you should try not to do that.

Maybe he did think it was un-important (which it is) and not worthy of his time?

Maybe he didn't want to risk being #2 in a voluntary event?

Either way, like ppl have said, mental make up isn't important when considering the best to every play the game

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Maybe he did think it was un-important (which it is) and not worthy of his time?

Maybe he didn't want to risk being #2 in a voluntary event?

Either way, like ppl have said, mental make up isn't important when considering the best to every play the game

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Sure, but you don't know why he didn't participate, so it is illogical to use what you don't know as evidence of something broader, but which you still don't know.

Thanks for all the discussion, fun to hear everyones different viewpoints on the subject

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There's this thing with LeBron...

"well, there's no way he could win right away!"

Bird won right away...Magic won right away...Kareem won right away.

Great players transform.

They get it done right away. I understand Kobe and LeBron were younger coming into the league...but it took LeBron way too long compared to others.

And lets face it, Kareem has the greatest resume of all-time. If we are going by resume for GOAT...not even Jordan touches Kareem for an entire lifetime of basketball.

Cavs were 17-65 before LeBron

They were 35-47 with LeBron.

Celtics were 29-53 before Bird.

They were 61-21 just by adding Bird. (And won the East)

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Also, LeBron dragged a team of nobodies to the Finals at age 22.

Larry Bird was not in the NBA yet at age 22.

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More excuses.. Gretzky is the greatest because his numbers are so far beyond anyone els plus he won 4 titles not 1 not 2 he won 4

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LeBron's numbers will be far beyond anyone else's when he retires. He is the most versatile AND effective basketball player we have ever seen in the game. He has won 3 titles, been to 6 straight, and 7 overall. Do you really think that doesn't at least compare to Gretzky winning 4? (It does)

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The same for Babe he created the game of baseball that we know tday he was hitting 60 home runs in a dead ball era he also played on what is considered the greatest team in baseball history. Oh and by the way he won 23 games two seasons in a row as a starting pitcher with World Series wins and ERAs of (2.01 and 1.75).

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There are literally DOZENS of rebuttals I could give to your Babe argument. Quite simply put though, can you really NOT see the parallels between these two KINGS of their sports? I mean, REALLY dude.

Wrong, Lebron made his first finals at age 23 ( where he was swept) while Bird "WON" his first NBA title at 24 years of age taking a team that had won 21 games 2 years earlier to a championship in his second season. Lebron didn't even make the playoffs until his 3rd season.