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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:41 pm to KG5989
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:41 pm to KG5989
Winston should be charge, shouldn't be playing. Don't care how pissed FSU fans get. Rape is rape. shite pisses me off. It'd be nice if there was a big push on the internet to get this guy suspended. If he was innocent he'd be clearing his name looooong ago. Dude is a rapist. 
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Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:51 pm to bayou2003
Not as much in this thread but in some of the other threads I have seen so much mis-information and or rumors that have come and gone and come back again. The amount of "facts" out are mind numbing. I am at the point where there are numerous possibilities at this point, numerous holes in both sides' purported stories, and all of it is predicated on things which may or may not be true from what we know at the moment.
There is NO POSSIBLE way to know what is fact and what is fiction as it stands right now, thus arguments of guilt and innocence need to be tempered a bit. Those with agendas to push are really setting themselves up to look foolish by claiming they have pieced the puzzle together at this stage of the story.
There is NO POSSIBLE way to know what is fact and what is fiction as it stands right now, thus arguments of guilt and innocence need to be tempered a bit. Those with agendas to push are really setting themselves up to look foolish by claiming they have pieced the puzzle together at this stage of the story.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:56 pm to bayou2003
quote:
Winston should be charge, shouldn't be playing. Don't care how pissed FSU fans get. Rape is rape. shite pisses me off. It'd be nice if there was a big push on the internet to get this guy suspended. If he was innocent he'd be clearing his name looooong ago. Dude is a rapist.
It's an ongoing investigation. Anybody that has watched 15 minutes of law and order cold tell you not to say a word when your name pops up. You let the lawyers handle it and that's what he is doing.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:03 pm to bayou2003
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Winston should be charge, shouldn't be playing. Don't care how pissed FSU fans get. Rape is rape. shite pisses me off. It'd be nice if there was a big push on the internet to get this guy suspended. If he was innocent he'd be clearing his name looooong ago. Dude is a rapist.
Just like when Zimmerman murdered that boy. Zimmerman should have been charged and arrested that night.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:06 pm to SaintCajun
In college I took a couple of criminal justice classes and we touched on rape.
Apparently the rule of them is that if it's no before, or during, or after it's rape. And I was like I get the before and during but WTF on the after. If you said yes before and yes during how can you say once it's over oh no I didn't want to do that?
That information and the Duke LaCrosse case has made me skeptical, majorly because he is famous and an athlete.
Also I'm concerned about the States Attorney especially in the matter of the previous FSU player who was acquitted by an all woman jury. Said the guy loves to go after football players and seeks attention so even if he's charged nothing may still come of it.
That's why people are skeptical of said victim.
Apparently the rule of them is that if it's no before, or during, or after it's rape. And I was like I get the before and during but WTF on the after. If you said yes before and yes during how can you say once it's over oh no I didn't want to do that?
That information and the Duke LaCrosse case has made me skeptical, majorly because he is famous and an athlete.
Also I'm concerned about the States Attorney especially in the matter of the previous FSU player who was acquitted by an all woman jury. Said the guy loves to go after football players and seeks attention so even if he's charged nothing may still come of it.
That's why people are skeptical of said victim.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:15 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Just like when Zimmerman murdered that boy. Zimmerman should have been charged and arrested that night.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:23 pm to WalkingTurtles
So people are skeptical of the victim because of what Meggs did 10 years ago in a case that involved a FSU football player that was accused of sexual assault??
Why would that make them skeptical of the victim and not Meggs??
And of course that football player would still be against Meggs. So would I. But thats also why we have a trial and jury. Just because someone is charged with a crime doesnt mean they are guilty of that crime. Which is why it goes to trial and its not up to just 1 persons discretion. If the evidence and report is against someone, you have to charge them to take it to trial. If they can prove they are innocent before, then you dont charge them. If they cant do that, it has to go to trial.
That case also happened 10 years ago. What about all the times Meggs charged someone that was indeed guilty? Dont hear about that.
And the guy likes to go after football players? With all the arrests that have occured at FSU while Meggs was the State Attorney, he made 1 mistake. And because he charged a player with sexual assault, and that player was found innocent of those charges, Meggs has it out for football players?? All the other arrests were charged correctly and found guilty. He made 1 mistake, where the guy got off, but he has it out for football players. Yea, OK.
That case has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Why would that make them skeptical of the victim and not Meggs??
And of course that football player would still be against Meggs. So would I. But thats also why we have a trial and jury. Just because someone is charged with a crime doesnt mean they are guilty of that crime. Which is why it goes to trial and its not up to just 1 persons discretion. If the evidence and report is against someone, you have to charge them to take it to trial. If they can prove they are innocent before, then you dont charge them. If they cant do that, it has to go to trial.
That case also happened 10 years ago. What about all the times Meggs charged someone that was indeed guilty? Dont hear about that.
And the guy likes to go after football players? With all the arrests that have occured at FSU while Meggs was the State Attorney, he made 1 mistake. And because he charged a player with sexual assault, and that player was found innocent of those charges, Meggs has it out for football players?? All the other arrests were charged correctly and found guilty. He made 1 mistake, where the guy got off, but he has it out for football players. Yea, OK.
That case has absolutely nothing to do with this.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:36 pm to KG5989
after the 30 minute acquittal of Travis Johnson
here’s what Assistant State Attorney Adam Ruiz had to say in response to the verdict:
“It’s always been tough to convict Florida State football players in Tallahassee… [But] we’re going to keep prosecuting Florida State football players who break the law. It’s not going to change. Although the jury found that there was not enough evidence to convict him, [that] does not mean that Mr. Johnson did not commit the crime, and that is an important distinction.”
here’s what Assistant State Attorney Adam Ruiz had to say in response to the verdict:
“It’s always been tough to convict Florida State football players in Tallahassee… [But] we’re going to keep prosecuting Florida State football players who break the law. It’s not going to change. Although the jury found that there was not enough evidence to convict him, [that] does not mean that Mr. Johnson did not commit the crime, and that is an important distinction.”
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:44 pm to detmut
Ok...
Yet he was still found innocent and free to go...
And that was 10 years ago.
And i have no problem with Ruiz said. If players keep committing crimes and the evidence is against them, they will charge them. Whats wrong with that?
And again, just because they are charged with that crime doesnt mean they are guilty of that crime. If the evidence looks like they indeed did commit a crime, and they cant prove that they are innocent, you have to charge them and take them to court.
And what Ruiz said sounds like a warning to all the players that they wont be given special treatment just because they are football players. It doesnt sound like they are "going after players". And you can say that about anybody. If _______ keeps committing crimes, we will be prosecuting them, etc etc.
Yet he was still found innocent and free to go...
And that was 10 years ago.
And i have no problem with Ruiz said. If players keep committing crimes and the evidence is against them, they will charge them. Whats wrong with that?
And again, just because they are charged with that crime doesnt mean they are guilty of that crime. If the evidence looks like they indeed did commit a crime, and they cant prove that they are innocent, you have to charge them and take them to court.
And what Ruiz said sounds like a warning to all the players that they wont be given special treatment just because they are football players. It doesnt sound like they are "going after players". And you can say that about anybody. If _______ keeps committing crimes, we will be prosecuting them, etc etc.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:20 pm to KG5989
this is what Ruiz said before the Travis Johnson trial:
"Generally speaking, I just don't offer pleas in sexual-battery cases," Ruiz said. "That's just my policy. The jury can decide the facts."
but after trial:
"Although the jury found that there was not enough evidence to convict him, [that] does not mean that Mr. Johnson did not commit the crime, and that is an important distinction.”
Travis Johnson said he also ended up spending more than $100,000 in attorney’s fees.
just make sure you have an alibi at all times, so, you know, you can "prove your innocence."
"Generally speaking, I just don't offer pleas in sexual-battery cases," Ruiz said. "That's just my policy. The jury can decide the facts."
but after trial:
"Although the jury found that there was not enough evidence to convict him, [that] does not mean that Mr. Johnson did not commit the crime, and that is an important distinction.”
Travis Johnson said he also ended up spending more than $100,000 in attorney’s fees.
just make sure you have an alibi at all times, so, you know, you can "prove your innocence."
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:23 pm to detmut
There's a lot in that case that paints FSU in an unfavorable light. I'm not sure why the FSU defenders keep bringing it up.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:28 pm to detmut
Well either spend that $$$ and get a good attorney, or dont and get a crappy attorney and take a bigger risk with the possibility of going to prison. Take your pick.
And it doesnt matter what Ruiz says after the trial. The judicial system ran its course and found him innocent and he was free to go. Ruiz can say whatever he wants. Wont change anything.
And it doesnt matter what Ruiz says after the trial. The judicial system ran its course and found him innocent and he was free to go. Ruiz can say whatever he wants. Wont change anything.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:28 pm to KG5989
So heres the latest skinny. The problem is the collusion.
Regardless of the he said/ she said aspect, how did TPD know which lawyer to call when they dropped the case? Or vice versa, how did FSUs lawyer know to randomly call in asking if they had a rape reported on Winston?
How do you just randomly notify FSUs lawyer that the case had been dropped? A confidential rape case at that?
That's the sticking point. If Winston had not been alerted, how did he know to lawyer up? Once he lawyered up, how did the TPD know who his lawyer was? They were telling the victim not to follow through because of the attention it would draw, then they followed through without notifying the victim.
At this point prosecutors know they just cant let it drop due to the collusion that allowed FSU to line its ducks all in a row. The only way to resolve it at this point is to decide what counts as legit evidence, and what doesn't, by a judge. Otherwise the prosecutors get thrown is as part of the cover up.
TPD has screwed Winston, all the while thinking they saved him
Regardless of the he said/ she said aspect, how did TPD know which lawyer to call when they dropped the case? Or vice versa, how did FSUs lawyer know to randomly call in asking if they had a rape reported on Winston?
quote:
Rape occurred 12/7
Winston ID'd in Jan
Jansen notified that case had been dropped in Feb
How do you just randomly notify FSUs lawyer that the case had been dropped? A confidential rape case at that?
That's the sticking point. If Winston had not been alerted, how did he know to lawyer up? Once he lawyered up, how did the TPD know who his lawyer was? They were telling the victim not to follow through because of the attention it would draw, then they followed through without notifying the victim.
At this point prosecutors know they just cant let it drop due to the collusion that allowed FSU to line its ducks all in a row. The only way to resolve it at this point is to decide what counts as legit evidence, and what doesn't, by a judge. Otherwise the prosecutors get thrown is as part of the cover up.
TPD has screwed Winston, all the while thinking they saved him
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:31 pm to League Champs
You never answered when I asked you if you were a lawyer?
I've appreciated your insight on the case this week.
I've appreciated your insight on the case this week.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:34 pm to League Champs
Well yea thats the thing. The TPD didnt notify anybody about this, except the lawyer for FSUs football team. And didnt let the girl or her legal team aware that they did notify a lawyer for FSUs football team.
Nor did they notify their superiors, which is protocol for them.
And they told the victim that they wouldnt get a DNA sample from Winston because you dont want him to be aware that he is the suspect in this case. Because you dont want the P.O.I know they are the suspect when you are building a case against him. That was their reason for not interrogating or gaining a DNA sample from Winston or his roomie. They were "building a case" against him. Or at least thats what they told the girl. And then after that they didnt do a single thing.
From the way it looks right now, the TPD, the Detective, and that lawyer all worked together to keep this case hushed and covered up. Hoping it would just go away and be swept under the rug.
Nor did they notify their superiors, which is protocol for them.
And they told the victim that they wouldnt get a DNA sample from Winston because you dont want him to be aware that he is the suspect in this case. Because you dont want the P.O.I know they are the suspect when you are building a case against him. That was their reason for not interrogating or gaining a DNA sample from Winston or his roomie. They were "building a case" against him. Or at least thats what they told the girl. And then after that they didnt do a single thing.
From the way it looks right now, the TPD, the Detective, and that lawyer all worked together to keep this case hushed and covered up. Hoping it would just go away and be swept under the rug.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:34 pm to massiveattack
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You never answered when I asked you if you were a lawyer?
I'm not much on personal info given out on the Interwebs.
You could ask the NSA, tho. They would for sure know
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:38 pm to League Champs
Gotcha. Well keep up the good work.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:51 pm to the808bass
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There's a lot in that case that paints FSU in an unfavorable light. I'm not sure why the FSU defenders keep bringing it up.
where have i defended FSU? i'm not an FSU defender.
i brought up the Travis Johnson case to point out the mindset of that District Attorney's office. i don't care about FSU.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 7:00 pm to detmut
The Winston family needs to know one thing, because I'm sure theyre feeling fairly secure at this point. But Jansen is first and foremost the lawyer for FSU. If this thing starts to stink for them
Winston will be thrown under the bus with the quickness
If it was my son, I'd have my own lawyer who would put my son first, and say to hell with FSU. Because he could play anywhere
Winston will be thrown under the bus with the quickness
If it was my son, I'd have my own lawyer who would put my son first, and say to hell with FSU. Because he could play anywhere
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 7:02 pm to detmut
I get what you were trying to do and all that. And i know your not defending FSU and all that.
But, again, that case was 10 years ago. I just dont agree that Meggs and the attorneys office has the same mindset that it had 10 years ago.
If that was recent, it would have way more clout that it does now.
But, again, that case was 10 years ago. I just dont agree that Meggs and the attorneys office has the same mindset that it had 10 years ago.
If that was recent, it would have way more clout that it does now.
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