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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston

Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:25 pm to
Posted by massiveattack
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:25 pm to
for the trial, yes. To charge him, no.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:25 pm to
Yea...but saying white girls bruise easily would be asinine.
Posted by tilco
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:29 pm to
Some if y'all taking these folks way too seriously
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:29 pm to
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Yea...but saying white girls bruise easily would be asinine.
did i fricking say that is what someone should say. I was just making a point. Now, as Bama Chick pointed out, if the bruises are in the vaginal area as well as the arms and neck then there is more than enough evidence to charge him.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:32 pm to
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Jansen in his press conference when he was blasting all the agencies that could had leaked the report, he said they had plenty of evidence and affidavits regarding the victim they could had leaked to the public too, but chose to take the high road and let the justice system do it's job.


Well why would Jansen let it leak that Winston was accused of rape? Im pretty convinced he was part of the cover up himself. Jansen already said he was aware of the situation in December the other day in his interview. Meaning the only person the TPD told, was the lawyer for FSU and Winston. And then didnt notify the girls legal team that they had given the info and report to Winstons lawyer.

Girl accuses Winston of rape... TPD notifies Jansen a few weeks after the event occurred but nobody else, including their superiors. Nor did they notify the girls legal team that they indeed told Jansen. The Detective refuses to collect a DNA sample from Winston. Even after he was IDed as the suspect. Reason?? The detective said that would notify Winston that he was a suspect and you dont want the P.O.I to know they are a suspect when you are building a case against them. Then, after that, they dont interrogate ANYBODY involved in the case. And it took them 4 months to notify the girl of her rape kit results and DNA test. And even after the girl IDed Winston, the TPD didnt put his name under the suspect list.

Sounds a lot like Jansen, Detective and TPD all worked together to keep this hushed up and hoped if they just ignored the girl and swept it under the rug, it would just go away.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 9:35 pm
Posted by League Champs
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:39 pm to
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the only thing that would get Jameis charged is the fear from Meggs that his office would be scrutinized and accused of trying to cover it up. But If they are half smart, they'll take that right now instead of the major media storm that will actually do harm to that office when he's proven innocent. That would be really really bad for anyone of his Senior members that "advised" him to go forth with pressing charges with the evidence at hand. One of those people are going to be trying to take Willies seat soon

lol

Meggs is 70, aint running again. Wont be around for the trial, guilty or innocent. Probably couldnt care less what people think of him at this point in his career.

He's probably thinking, 'hell, theres enough to charge. Letting him walk will stink to high heaven after the way the TPD handled the case. I can just let the next guy deal with it"
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:41 pm to
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The Detective refuses to collect a DNA sample from Winston. Even after he was IDed as the suspect.


Was wondering about this aspect...could it be that to force collection of DNA, it would require a court order/search warrant thus possibly taking it past the point where the incident could be covered up?
Posted by SaintCajun
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:43 pm to
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Was wondering about this aspect...could it be that to force collection of DNA, it would require a court order/search warrant thus possibly taking it past the point where the incident could be covered up?


They'll ask you to volunteer a sample and if you refuse they'll need a warrant
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:45 pm to
Well they collected DNA from Winston last week, after it all became public... did they need a warrant for that?? Not sure. But they got it.

And in other rape cases, do they ever hesitate to get a warrant to get DNA from the suspect?? Nope.

And if they do need to obtain a warrant to get DNA from the suspect, they have to at least file for the warrant. The fact that TPD didnt even attempt to get a warrant, or even filed for a warrant, should tell you something.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 9:48 pm
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:47 pm to
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About the bruising. She could also have easily inflicted her own bruises to make it look like she was attacked, even if they had just hooked up consensually.


Damn. That means she was doing work at 2 a.m. after getting consensually loved on.
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:54 pm to
If its Vaginal bruising....he's done.

However, the way this case has been going they'll probably just believe she couldnt handle the BBC
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:58 pm to
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the way this case has been going they'll probably just believe she couldnt handle the BBC
Well
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:00 pm to
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they'll probably just believe she couldnt handle the BBC


There must already be a thread about this on the nole fan websites.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:00 pm to
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Here is the thing about the bruises....she is white! My girlfriend bruises every time i hug her, granted she is as pale a walking dead extra, but still. Most white females i know bruise easily, very easily.


There's never been a white women that I've been with that had bruises afterwards.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
21116 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:01 pm to
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They'll ask you to volunteer a sample and if you refuse they'll need a warrant


Right but it appears that none of this was done when the TPD element investigating the matter seemed to want to keep a lid on the situation. It just seems that is the most plausible explanation for lack of pursuit of JW's DNA.
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:01 pm to
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Well



In all seriousness..

Is it POSSIBLE..

She agreed to sex.....but ultimately couldnt handle it...told him to stop...but he didnt.

So technically she did consent....but he still wound up raping her in the process.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:01 pm to
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There's never been a white women that I've been with that had bruises afterwards.
You don't have the BBC. See post above
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:04 pm to
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She agreed to sex.....but ultimately couldnt handle it...told him to stop...but he didnt.

So technically she did consent....but he still wound up raping her in the process.

This x1000. Seriously I had a friend in college that this happened to. Luckily the girl wouldn't let anything happen to him, but her roommate was out for blood because she was so fat and lonely.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
21116 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:05 pm to
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they have to at least file for the warrant


Ding ding ding, that's why I think the DNA wasn't pursued. I think they probably figured the filing of a request for a warrant would possibly blow away hopes of keeping it under wraps.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:08 pm to
Yep... and when you file for that warrant you file it to the DA office i believe. Which means you file it to your superiors. The same superiors that they were supposed to pass the case on to, but failed to do so.
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