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RogerTempleton
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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they wanted to be in position to have the ball third.


correct. You still receive.


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Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
According to Mahomes, Hardman didn't know the rule.

Dude caught the winning pass and had to be told the game was over.


AUFANATL
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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f he kicked, the Chiefs scored a TD, then the 49ers scored a TD to tie, and the Chiefs kicked a FG that next possession to win the game, he’d also be getting killed.


That brings up the interesting wrinkle of the 2 point conversion.

Mahomes drives first and scores a TD like we saw them do.

49ers go second and score a TD knowing they had to.

Now, knowing your kicker already had an XP blocked do you take the ball out of Mahomes/Reid's hands and just try to end the game on one play by going for two? Does having that option in your back pocket confer a small benefit that shifts the odds? Would a coach be willing to take that chance in a Super Bowl with all of the added eyeballs and scrutiny?



PurpleandGold Motown
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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Now, knowing your kicker already had an XP blocked do you take the ball out of Mahomes/Reid's hands and just try to end the game on one play by going for two? Does having that option in your back pocket confer a small benefit that shifts the odds? Would a coach be willing to take that chance in a Super Bowl with all of the added eyeballs and scrutiny?


I feel with this new system, you kind of negate the advantage of winning the toss as both receiving and defending first seem to have built in advantages and disadvantages -- unlike college where you obviously want to be on defense or sudden death where you obviously want the ball.


Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
Well clearly the Chiefs were given the script and the Niners weren’t, it’s clear as day!


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Dawgsontop34
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
I would go for two in that situation because I would have to assume KC would be able to kick a FG on their next possession.


lsupride87
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Member since Dec 2007
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
Wait

Team A scores TD and makes extra point

Team B score TD and make 2pt conversion

You are saying Team A gets another possession?

ETA: Nevermind. I see you said you WOULD go for two. Thought you said wouldn’t. Makes sense now
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Dawgsontop34
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
I’m sure if you went thru the math, it would tell you to go for 2 based on the odds the opposing team would score at least a FG on the next possession and I don’t think it would necessarily be all that close. Think it would be the easy decision.


lsupride87
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2007
94033 posts

re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
Correct. Which is why kicking makes so much more sense to me

You know 100% what to do to win going second

Going first you can’t. There is no way for you to end the game.

Going second you can 100% play the game on your terms

Team a scores nothing: need a fg
Team a scores fg: need a TD
Team a scores TD: go for two

The goal is to win the damn game not keep extending it. Knowing what that takes SHOULD be the advantage everyone wants


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Roll Tide Ravens
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Member since Nov 2015
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
A couple of things I would say:

1) Vinovich explained the rules before the coin toss, so that’s on the 49ers.

2) Even if the regular season rules were in place, the Chiefs still would have gotten the ball after the 49ers kicked the field goal. Maybe the 49ers go for the TD if that would’ve have ended it, but if they had still kicked the FG, then the outcome would’ve been the same.


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STEVED00
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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I have to imagine math says that receiving is the correct call with the new rules.


Yes. Seems very logical to me that the math works out better to receive first knowing that both teams will get an opportunity to get the ball. The third possession is the actual sudden death round.


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weptiger
USA Fan
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
10214 posts

re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
Shannahan knew the rules and made the correct strategic call to take the ball first in OT.

It’s not a good look from a coaching perspective to have players indicate they didn’t know the rules were different, but I don’t think it altered the outcome.


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sorantable
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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I don't know if I agree with it, but he said they wanted to be in position to have the ball third.

This is just Shanahan once again eschewing common sense because he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Defending first is a no-brainer. If there’s a third possession and you lose, it’s because your defense lost the game, not because you botched a coin toss and put your defense in a shitty position to begin with. Like Romo said early in that final drive, the Chiefs had an extra play all the way down the field due to them having to score a TD. It dictated the way they approached the drive, and was a big reason they ended up winning.


Goldrush25
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Member since Oct 2012
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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I don't know if I agree with it, but he said they wanted to be in position to have the ball third.



So his gameplan is based on an element (a third possession) that's uncertain and is out of his control.


dcrews
UNO Fan
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
29996 posts

re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
I mean, they lost even if the regular season rules applied here.

Even if they didn't know the playoff OT rules, surely they knew they couldn't let KC score a TD.

This is one of those things that was better left unsaid.


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Caimani
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Member since Sep 2023
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
Taking the ball first was the right decision. SF defense had just come off the field and were likely gassed. Throwing them back on the field in OT would have guaranteed a KC TD on their first possession.


lsupride87
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2007
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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So his gameplan is based on an element (a third possession) that's uncertain and is out of his control.
Correct. Makes no sense


lsupride87
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2007
94033 posts

re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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SF defense had just come off the field and were likely gassed.
Hadnt been on the field in 22 minutes before the start of OT


beauchristopher
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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If he kicked, the Chiefs scored a TD, then the 49ers scored a TD to tie, and the Chiefs kicked a FG that next possession to win the game, he’d also be getting killed.


Yes, but would they be more willing to kick on 4th than going for a TD?
This post was edited on 2/12 at 10:16 am


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CatfishJohn
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re: Niners players didn’t know the new OT rules.
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I don't see what the big deal is with the players not knowing the rule differences, it didn't affect anything in the game.


Exactly my thought.


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