re: Nike cuts ties with Manny Pacquiao after derogatory comments

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Agreed. But Nike is an American company. So they have to worry about America's culture and views, I guess

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No numbers in front of me but I'd imagine they sell more merchandise outside the US than inside.

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These things are always funny to me because they find Manny's comments offensive because they treat LGBT culture like its inferior. They do this to Spanish players who say similar things. What they fail to realize is that those comments stem from cultural views. So, ironically, these companies are saying cultures like Manny's and Hispanic cultures are the inferior ones.

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If you think this is about Pac's or any Hispanic culture you're missing the point. It's about their major demographic: America. We tend not to tolerate intolerance.


I'm wondering if they had to buy it out, did they have to pay him a butt load of money when they cut the contract? Or was there a clause about damaging their image, with mention of this stuff?

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But now pretend that you aren't from America or Europe, and that it hasn't been beat into your head that being gay is okay. Wouldn't you note that human beings, and in fact all animals, are little more than highly aggressive agents acting on behalf of our genes.* That we are essentially gene propagation machines, and that life itself as we know it wouldn't exist if this weren't the absolute capital-T Truth. And then wouldn't you observe homosexuals and make note that their preferences are completely inapposite with our underlying biological agenda. And then after observing that, wouldn't you form a conclusion that those guys were kinda weird? Yeah, of course you would.

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That's a whole lot of spin to ascribe that view on a guy that has been pretty obvious his religious view run his actions. His description of those actions as being that of animals was CLEARLY not his way of simply pointing out it was "weird." Manny, like most ultra-religious folks, don;t even like accepting that we ARE animals. Manny...and I love the guy as a boxer BTW...was obviously calling them animals as a way to place them down with animals.

I mean...people are free to agree or disagree with what he said, but why go through the trouble of smoothing out the rough edges when he went through the trouble of making them rough in the first place?

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He was raised Roman Catholic and he's a practicing Christian.

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True...but even there you can find a sliding scale. I mean...you can go all the way from Mel Gibson who has his own church with Latin mass to your average South Louisiana guy who goes to mass every Sunday. While it's certainly true the Roman Catholic position in regards to homosexuality is that they're not in favor of it, it's usually not the style of the Pope to come out and call anyone that participates in that behavior animals.

Now...would Manny have lost the deal with Nike if he had simply parroted the standard party line from the RCC that he personally was not in favor of it? Don't know...you'd have to look around and see if other high profile Catholic athletes have lost deals if they broached that subject. Manny went further than that...a lot further...and there's just no way a company is going to go along with that.

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Manny has been saying shite like this forever, the only difference is he's now fairly irrelevant in the mainstream sports media.

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would anyone have really cared or known that NIKE even sponsored him had they cut ties?

Good PR = good image = more public trust = more money

it's a simple formula. People are easy to manipulate. Look at MJ shoes for example. Without his logo, it's just a shoe and you would have to pay $150. But if you put the logo on it and say how special it is, and that you and MJ have something in common now... People will line up for them. Some even kill for them. It's fu*king sad.

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they teach this in Catholic schools?

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In other areas of the world where Christianity (especially Catholicism) is the dominant religion, they typically condemn homosexuality, sometimes violently or with laws against the practice (see Uganda).

Remember Juan Pablo from The Bachelor?

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Other cultures aren't as accepting of homosexuality as American culture is. Even in America, it's a divisive issue.

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even still it really doesn't matter. In the end this is just smart PR move by Nike. Manny is on his way out and Nike gets to get a few hours of positive tweets.

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And that is irrelevant to my original point. Nike made a judgment call to condemn Manny's comments. They don't want to be seen as barbaric or non-progressive. In America, we're ingrained to think things like ethnocentrism are wrong or immoral. The irony is their condemnation of Manny's comments do exactly what they proclaim to hate, which is consider another culture inferior.

And guess what? THAT'S OKAY. There are such things as inferior cultures.

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Even in the South, it's a divisive issue.

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FIFY. Most of America is pretty tolerant of gay people.

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Other cultures aren't as accepting of homosexuality as American culture is. Even in America, it's a divisive issue.

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The Philippians aren't far behind the USA when it comes to this issue. They are voting are gay marriage which why manny was even asked. From the quotes I read Manny never brought up his faith in relation to this so you are the only one making this catholic thing

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Nike made a judgment call to condemn Manny's comments. They don't want to be seen as barbaric or non-progressive. In America, we're ingrained to think things like ethnocentrism are wrong or immoral. The irony is their condemnation of Manny's comments do exactly what they proclaim to hate, which is consider another culture inferior. And guess what? THAT'S OKAY. There are such things as inferior cultures.

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They aren't condemning anyone's culture. They are saying their views do not align with one person. That person happened to represent them so he got fired.