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re: Nick Saban is bad for college football - Agree or disagree?

Posted on 11/10/13 at 9:41 am to
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/10/13 at 9:41 am to
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If the most deserving teams got into the BCSCG


Too bad the BCS looks for the best teams and not the "most deserving" ones.

Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 11/10/13 at 9:45 am to
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Too bad the BCS looks for the best teams and not the "most deserving" ones.


No they don't. They look for brand names.

If Mississippi State had Alabama's resume in 2011 or 2012 they would have been in the Sugar Bowl. If Oklahoma in 2011/Southern Cal in 2012 had exactly the same resume as Okie Lite/Oregon, they would have been in the title game.

Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62323 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 9:50 am to
Bama gets no credit for winning the games once put in?

Also, how can you blame the BCS? Did you know what CFB was like before? The BCS is infinitely better than what we had previous
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:04 am to
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The BCS is infinitely better than what we had previous


Disagree. The only years it remotely worked were 2002, 2005, and 2010, because the matchups of undefeateds wouldn't have happened in the old system. Even then, it could have just been a split title which the B(C)S failed to prevent anyway (2003).

Look at the history:

1998 - Tennessee vs. FSU. The old system could have given us the same matchup. Only difference is the game would have been the Sugar Bowl.

1999 - FSU vs. Virginia Tech. Old system could have given us the same thing.

2000 - Oklahoma vs. Florida State. Could have happened in the Cotton/Fiesta under the old system.

2001 - Miami vs. Nebraska. Could have happened under the old system.

2002 - Ohio State vs. Miami - Old system would have locked Sloopy into the Rose Bowl. B(C)S gets credit here for matching up the two undefeateds.

2003 - LSU vs. Oklahoma. Oklahoma was an at large and would have been in the Sugar anyway. AP voted a different champion which would have happened in the old system anyway. Not only an epic fail, but caused changes which shifted from objective evaluation to assclown pollsters making arbitrary decisions.

2004 - Oklahoma vs. Southern Cal. Matchup couldn't have happened in the old system, but it's also an epic fail because undefeated Auburn got left out.

2005 - USC vs. Texas, addressed earlier.

2006 - Florida vs. tOSU. Matchup couldn't happen under the old system, but FU had one loss. Would have been more interesting if the teams went to their respective tie-ins and there were multiple teams with a chance to win.

2007 - LSU vs. tOSU. Matchup wouldn't have happened, but the B(C)S didn't really add any value. The voters would have had to sort out the Charlie Foxtrot after the bowls instead of before.

2008 - Florida vs. Oklahoma - Same thing as 2006.

2009 - Bama vs. Texas. Another matchup that wouldn't have happened, but the B(C)S still gets an F because Cincy was undefeated and locked out. The BCS said the Big East was worthy of an autobid, so why isn't their champion allowed to prove itself on the field? Under the old system, UC gets invited to play Bama or Texas allowing it to put up or shut up. With a national title on the line, their coach doesn't leave.

2010 - The third and final time the B(C)S worked.

2011 - Gumps get an undeserved mulligan based on their brand name. Oklahoma State should have been the ones making JJ look like a chump.

2012 - See 2011 (although the mulligan isn't as disputable this time).
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:34 am to
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Who cares? FSU will beat UA by at least three scores.

You have got to be kidding me
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
79395 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:34 am to
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You have got to be kidding me


Sadly, I agree.

Gumps would win the battle in the trenches and pull away in the fourth quarter.
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
35461 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:35 am to
My inclination is to think that FSU is actually a better team this year. If they played against an SEC schedule I think they'd have a championship this year but their lack of adequate preparation will catch up to them in the championship game IMO. Teams are always shell-shocked when they play Bama in the title game because they haven't played a team anywhere close to that all year.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62323 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:35 am to
04 = only season it didn't work. DWI


Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:37 am to
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"notre dame will kill bama"


I really dont remember anyone other than retarded notre dame fans saying this one
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:44 am to
This is some pussy shite
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:56 am to
You like a system like 2003 where AP decided that Southern Cal was National Champion.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
79395 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:56 am to
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04 = only season it didn't work


Disagree. In any of the years where a one-loss team had to be chosen, the old system would have been better. Then there would have been multiple teams and games that had a potential impact on the championship instead of one game that mattered plus a bunch of glorified NITs.

The B(C)S works only when there are two, and only two, undefeated teams and they would have been tied into different bowls under the old system.
Posted by tidehillcrest
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:57 am to
If the rest of the country hates him and his greatness...then its simple.. STOP HIM! He is the greatest coach in history...much better than Bear ever was since Saban has had to deal with insane parity across the country, recruiting and scholarship restrictions that Bear never had to worry about. I mean this man..if it was him rather than Bear in those 25 years at Alabama...holy freakin God..Saban would have won 14 national titles easy. Saban's success is uncomparable.. he is the greatest bar-none. INCLUDING 2013, he wins it all..AGAIN, he will have won FIVE national titles in his last 9 years as a college coach... I mean....WOW!
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69876 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:01 am to
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Disagree. The only years it remotely worked were 2002, 2005, and 2010, because the matchups of undefeateds wouldn't have happened in the old system.


This is why you're an idiot. Before the Bowl Coalition formed in 1992, allowing a 1 vs. 2 matchup to happen in the post-season almost every year, there had only been a 1 vs. 2 match-up in the post-season FOUR previous times.

1963 Rose Bowl - #1 USC vs. #2 Wisconsin
1972 Orange Bowl - #1 Nebraska vs. #2 Alabama
1979 Sugar Bowl - #1 Penn State vs. #2 Alabama
1987 Fiesta Bowl - #1 Miami vs. #2 Penn State


Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
55712 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:19 am to
Agree


Signed,

LSU fan
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
14887 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:37 am to
I think he's great for college football. It shows that if done right you can flat out dominate. I'm not a Miles hater or a Saban suckoff, but you have to respect his dominance.

I bet the coaches in the NFL felt the same way about Lombardi when he was changing football back in the day.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 12:33 pm to
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This is why you're an idiot. Before the Bowl Coalition formed in 1992, allowing a 1 vs. 2 matchup to happen in the post-season almost every year, there had only been a 1 vs. 2 match-up in the post-season FOUR previous times.

1963 Rose Bowl - #1 USC vs. #2 Wisconsin
1972 Orange Bowl - #1 Nebraska vs. #2 Alabama
1979 Sugar Bowl - #1 Penn State vs. #2 Alabama
1987 Fiesta Bowl - #1 Miami vs. #2 Penn State

While I agree with your sentiment (that mainly because of conference bowl tie-ins, No. 1 and No. 2 rarely met in postseason), you left off Texas-Navy in the 1964 Cotton Bowl.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62323 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 12:37 pm to
If you don't go undefeated you have no right to complain. You may get in, you may not, but don't DESERVE shite. I have zero sympathy for one-loss teams that didn't make the BCS.


Like I said, 04 is literally the only season the BCS didn't work. Aside from that, it's been great.
Posted by zzemme
Member since Nov 2008
10479 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 12:39 pm to
I agree. BCS will be better than the playoff system IMO
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
55712 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 12:40 pm to
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Like I said, 04 is literally the only season the BCS didn't work. Aside from that, it's been great.



Uh, there was a split championship the year before.

In 2001, Nebraska got smoked in the NCG after getting smoked even worse by Colorado, which actually won the Big 12.

I think the BCS is more good than bad, but it's pretty simplistic to say it's been near perfect.
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