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re: NFL = Slavery

Posted on 3/17/11 at 11:07 pm to
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/17/11 at 11:07 pm to
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I wonder what would have happened if Drew Brees said this.


The Saintards would more than likely tiptoe around circlejerking about it.
Posted by wrlakers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/17/11 at 11:14 pm to
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I don't think the NCAA should be compared to slavery, but the players sure as frick are getting screwed--in a really shameful way.
I think the comment is directed towards the millions of dollars being made on college football every year. The thing that gets lost is that most college football programs pour every cent they make back into the program. LSU is one of two exceptions to that rule. If the money being made is being put back into the program that gives an athlete an education and the platform by which he will launch his NFL career, then he is not a slave. He is lucky.
Posted by MI LSU
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Member since Oct 2009
1136 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 2:26 am to
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If the money being made is being put back into the program that gives an athlete an education and the platform by which he will launch his NFL career, then he is not a slave. He is lucky.


Both college players and NFL players are lucky for many reasons. They get fame, all the girls they could ever want, they get to do a job that they love, and many of them make (or will eventually make) tons of cash. This is why the NFL team owners/the NCAA get so much slack with their fiscal decisions concerning players. It's hard to feel bad for someone that gets all of the aforementioned benefits...
But that doesn't mean that not paying them (NCAA)/everything the NFL owners are doing is "fair."

ETA: I don't know if I've explicitly stated this yet, but I think AP is a fricking idiot for tweeting that shite. I think it is embarrassing for any NFL player to say something like that. It made him look like a spoiled shite and really did some damage to the whole NFLPA from a PR perspective. I hope he gets hell for it.

This post was edited on 3/18/11 at 2:32 am
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 8:00 am to
Idiots - it is only "slavery" if you are forced to do it and you have no other options.

These people calling it "slavery" remind me of the morons who accuse anyone besides a government entity of "censorship".
Posted by fontell
Montgomery
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Posted on 3/18/11 at 9:30 am to
All the team names will become slave names
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30304 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 9:41 am to
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I don't think the NCAA should be compared to slavery, but the players sure as frick are getting screwed--in a really shameful way.


Let's go over the shame:
feeding a kid for 4 years
giving him a roof over his head for 4 years
buying his books and other school stuff
allowing him to recieve a degree that cost others thousands to get just in tuition
allowing him to train in state of the art facilities that everyone else doens't get to use, and also have nutritional supplements for the taking
they have access to tutors
they get clothing
they get free healthcare
they get the notariety of being an athlete at whatever university, which usually makes it a lot easier to get a job if you can't go pro, and also easy to get a part-time job while in school

Now after all of this is given to the thousands of kids across the country for free, there's only a handful of universities that actually PROFIT money off of these kids, and that profit goes right back to them, just like the revenue they help bring in.

I would like to have been screwed that way, but i wasn't GIVEN that opportunity.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
34931 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:12 am to
set him free... ban him from NFL... then let's check on him in 5 years..
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8154 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:36 am to
Exactly Teddy - plus not to mention the fact that these kids hvent proven jack when they get to campus, or the fact that the schools that do make money use that money to do really shameful things like subsidize education, research, and pay professors.
Posted by MI LSU
NYC
Member since Oct 2009
1136 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:25 pm to
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Let's go over the shame:
feeding a kid for 4 years
giving him a roof over his head for 4 years
buying his books and other school stuff
allowing him to recieve a degree that cost others thousands to get just in tuition
allowing him to train in state of the art facilities that everyone else doens't get to use, and also have nutritional supplements for the taking
they have access to tutors
they get clothing
they get free healthcare
they get the notariety of being an athlete at whatever university, which usually makes it a lot easier to get a job if you can't go pro, and also easy to get a part-time job while in school

These would all be good points if the football players were, say, trash collectors or McDonald's employees. But, they're not. They're athletes that are making TONS and TONS of money for the university. And the argument that the universities aren't making money off of these kids is fricking hilarious. Do you really think that if they weren't making money they would continue spending so much on athletics? That they would continue to hemorrhage money for altruistic purposes? Come the frick on... universities are businesses (and really fricking smart ones at that). Even the schools that aren't showing straight profits are still "making" tons of money off of the exposure big-time athletics bring to their universities (kids want to go to schools with good teams). It's easy to forget that not all profits are quantifiable...
This post was edited on 3/18/11 at 3:30 pm
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
14783 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:28 pm to
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These would all be good points if the football players were, say, trash collectors or McDonald's employees. But, they're not. They're athletes that are making TONS and TONS of money for the university. And the argument that the universities aren't making money off of these kids is fricking hilarious. Do you really think that if they weren't making money they would continue spending so much on athletics? That they would continue to hemorrhage money for altruistic purposes? Come the frick on... universities are businesses (and really fricking smart ones at that). Even the ones that aren't showing straight profits are still "making" tons of money off of the exposure big-time athletics bring to their universities. It's easy to forget that not all profits are quantifiable...


This is one of the worst posts in recent memory. Not counting any of my own.
Posted by MI LSU
NYC
Member since Oct 2009
1136 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:32 pm to
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This is one of the worst posts in recent memory. Not counting any of my own.


An explanation would be helpful...
Posted by GamecockAlum
SC
Member since Dec 2010
7705 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:37 pm to
To keep it simple, he's comparing guys who have clothing, food, healthcare, a room, transportation, good spending money, and a education given to them for playing a sport (whether they actually hit the field or not) to McDonald's employees.

He's also operating under the assumption that Florida's scout team players who are on scholarship contributed the same to the team's success and bottom line as Tim Tebow.

It's shitty non-logic put in shitty form.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:45 pm to
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The Saintards would more than likely tiptoe around circlejerking about it.


Drew Brees is loved and circlejerked because he is the not the type of guy to say something so stupid
Posted by MI LSU
NYC
Member since Oct 2009
1136 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

To keep it simple, he's comparing guys who have clothing, food, healthcare, a room, transportation, good spending money, and a education given to them for playing a sport (whether they actually hit the field or not) to McDonald's employees.


I wasn't comparing them at all. I was saying that if it were McDonald's employees receiving those benefits, it would be a good deal for them...but for players making a ton of money for the school, it is not...

quote:

He's also operating under the assumption that Florida's scout team players who are on scholarship contributed the same to the team's success and bottom line as Tim Tebow.

It's shitty non-logic put in shitty form.



so where did I mention that all the players should be equally compensated? I'm not saying I have an answer to this problem, but to say that everyone's getting a great deal is laughable.
Posted by The Gooch
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2009
1254 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Let's go over the shame:
feeding a kid for 4 years
giving him a roof over his head for 4 years
buying his books and other school stuff
allowing him to recieve a degree that cost others thousands to get just in tuition
allowing him to train in state of the art facilities that everyone else doens't get to use, and also have nutritional supplements for the taking
they have access to tutors
they get clothing
they get free healthcare
they get the notariety of being an athlete at whatever university, which usually makes it a lot easier to get a job if you can't go pro, and also easy to get a part-time job while in school

Now after all of this is given to the thousands of kids across the country for free, there's only a handful of universities that actually PROFIT money off of these kids, and that profit goes right back to them, just like the revenue they help bring in.

I would like to have been screwed that way, but i wasn't GIVEN that opportunity.





The true debate in this whole issue is some feel that these kids are "given" this opportunity and they get all this stuff for "free" while there others who feel that they weren't "given" shite, they "earned" all of this shite and while we are at it, deserve more.......I don't think no one disagrees with the sentiment that the kids get great treatment in comparison to the average student but I don't think you can compare the two. These kids generate a ton of cash for the Athletic Department which tranlates to the University which translates to the city of Baton Rouge.......the malls are full, the restarants are full, hotels are full, stores make a killing on game day........everybody is getting paid but the "revenue generator". Now you and others can say, "Well, he is getting a free education and there is no price tag on that" and I can say number one, you can put a price tag on it, parents do that every year......and once you do place a price tag on it, I feel that it is not enough based off what they generate.....
Posted by GamecockAlum
SC
Member since Dec 2010
7705 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

I wasn't comparing them at all. I was saying that if it were McDonald's employees receiving those benefits, it would be a good deal for them...but for players making a ton of money for the school, it is not...


And McDonald's employees don't make money for their employers? Those orders take themselves and them sammiches make themselves?

You are STILL ignoring that not all players contribute equally. Besides, most fans could give a shite about the name of the players as long as they win. The majority of fans don't care nearly as much about the pieces of the puzzle as much as they care about the end result.

quote:


so where did I mention that all the players should be equally compensated? I'm not saying I have an answer to this problem, but to say that everyone's getting a great deal is laughable.


So you are bitching about something you have no stake in and are not offering any solution with anything resembling a better situation/outcome?

Mmmkay.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 3:59 pm to
No one forces them to sign their LOI. In fact, they seem pretty excited when they do.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30304 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 4:03 pm to
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Even the schools that aren't showing straight profits are still "making" tons of money off of the exposure big-time athletics bring to their universities (kids want to go to schools with good teams). It's easy to forget that not all profits are quantifiable...


it's easy to forget there's more to a university than football.
How is giving a scholarship to a kid like James Andrews, or Lod Cook, or whoever they renamed CEBA after any different. they don't give them a scholarship for the frick of it. they expect a return on their investment.

If you can complain about the way NCAA athletes are treated shamefully, you are out of base with reality.
Posted by The Gooch
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2009
1254 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 4:11 pm to
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If you can complain about the way NCAA athletes are treated shamefully, you are out of base with reality.


As I said in my previous post, I don't think that people feel they are treated "shamefully"......we just feel they should be compensated more than what they are for what they generate.........
Posted by GamecockAlum
SC
Member since Dec 2010
7705 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

As I said in my previous post, I don't think that people feel they are treated "shamefully"......we just feel they should be compensated more than what they are for what they generate.........



Tennis players don't generate shite. Why should they get ANY benefits?

What about Golf? Swimming? All Women's sports?
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