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re: NCAA should not pay players; debate me:
Posted on 11/21/18 at 12:36 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 11/21/18 at 12:36 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I agree with all your points - most schools lose money and you start playing football players you will have to pay all, Title 9 other factors will push for that till it's done. There just ain't enough money for that - and that's a fact.
Now allowing players to market themselves and get money that way...it's the only way to possible compensate these kids and as someone else said here only a very small amount of college athletes are marketable.
But what you'd end up is rich alumni for the schools with the riches fan bases will find creative ways to funnel money to players - and some may be o.k. with that. I personally am not but that's probably where it's heading.
Now allowing players to market themselves and get money that way...it's the only way to possible compensate these kids and as someone else said here only a very small amount of college athletes are marketable.
But what you'd end up is rich alumni for the schools with the riches fan bases will find creative ways to funnel money to players - and some may be o.k. with that. I personally am not but that's probably where it's heading.
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Posted on 11/21/18 at 1:43 pm to Tiger Ugly
I don’t believe the NCAA would allow that. Too much opportunity for frickery and they can’t control it.
And for those thinking this brave new world of paying players is coming, I believe it’s the opposite. More real pro minor leagues and the NCAA reverts to being about student athletes again.
And for those thinking this brave new world of paying players is coming, I believe it’s the opposite. More real pro minor leagues and the NCAA reverts to being about student athletes again.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 1:47 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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And for those thinking this brave new world of paying players is coming, I believe it’s the opposite.
They are already paying student athletes
Posted on 11/21/18 at 2:47 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
You are right. 18..19..20 yr olds getting paid or not is on the NFL, not the NCAA. The proceeds from CFB should go back to the institution for other scholarships, buildings, professors. The NFL is getting the free pass
Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:39 pm to TheMailman
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They are already paying student athletes
Technically you are correct, but I am referring to some sort a market value based pay or money for jerseys, autographs, etc.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:42 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
You can argue that market forces are already in play since student athletes in the SEC get paid more money than say student athletes in the Sun Belt.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:28 pm to EA6B
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There seems to be a large contingent of fans that really want to believe that D1 college athletics are amateur student athletes competing for the love of the game, and free tuition, room, and board. Not what they are, a multi-million dollar professional sports organization operating under a universities name. To bring the money changing hands into plain view would totally destroy the fairytale they try so hard to believe
You are obviously not a fan of any smaller college teams. The vast majority of NCAA athletics is a sinkhole of money going towards athletics that doesn't make enough revenue to support the athletic department and rely in institutional funding. You're looking at the top 20 or so P5 schools that make tons of money and trying to apply that system across the entire NCAA. It doesn't work that way. Schools like Bama, ND, LSU, OSU, Michigan are outliers.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:36 pm to chalmetteowl
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of people do... put D3 talent in SEC colors and watch how quickly the stadiums empty
Really? When the Army v Navy thread starts up and the entire country is watching that game remember what you just posted. This players are not the best in CFB yet we all watch, because of the institutions they represent. You still watch because it's about the school not the players.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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No it won't. There is zero desire among the NCAA and school presidents for this to happen. It's a complete non-starter and is not even being discussed.
Do you know something no one else knows?
When pro athletes making millions of dollars are driving the conversation in a direction that they are defined as slave labor, it's only a matter of time when actual indentured servant student athletes who are suffering brain and physical injuries are actually compensated for their sacrifice. All you have to do is remember that the institutions they work for are making hundreds of millions of dollars off of their labor.
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:15 pm to tigerpimpbot
You think people don’t know that?
The NCAA has one of two options and neither are viable.
Pay student athletes directly: legally and structurally can’t happen until title IX is no longer. Period
Allow student athletes to profit off their likelness. Can’t happen without the NCAA giving up full control. And the same people who are clamoring for this don’t realize as soon as this happens college football will be ruined. You will have 3-5 teams who can financially support even more payoffs for this. The college playoff becomes null and void and we are back to glorified poll champions.
The NCAA has one of two options and neither are viable.
Pay student athletes directly: legally and structurally can’t happen until title IX is no longer. Period
Allow student athletes to profit off their likelness. Can’t happen without the NCAA giving up full control. And the same people who are clamoring for this don’t realize as soon as this happens college football will be ruined. You will have 3-5 teams who can financially support even more payoffs for this. The college playoff becomes null and void and we are back to glorified poll champions.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 11:36 pm to SoDakHawk
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Really? When the Army v Navy thread starts up and the entire country is watching that game remember what you just posted. This players are not the best in CFB yet we all watch, because of the institutions they represent. You still watch because it's about the school not the players.
most Army-Navy viewers don't watch any other game either team plays.
Posted on 11/22/18 at 1:16 am to More beer please
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Pay student athletes directly: legally and structurally can’t happen until title IX is no longer. Period .
This is already happening
Posted on 11/22/18 at 7:52 am to TheMailman
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This is already happening
We all know that athletes get Cost of Attendance stipends. I don’t think anyone has an issue with this, as this makes a full scholarship actually full.
It’s not much money though and many schools struggle to pay that. Most non P5 schools don’t pay it at all.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 4:53 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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NCAA should not pay players; debate me:
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The law of unintended consequences tells me you have no idea what would happen were that to be allowed. The NCAA has a successful product with no need to risk it, just to reward a handful of players. What is their motivation?
With all due respect, you need to frame your argument better. Arguing the NCAA SHOULD NOT pay players indicates they have a choice in the matter as opposed to us deciding what they shall do or what's right which is the implication you conveyed, OF COURSE PRACTICALLY they're gonna choose not to pay the players: they have a great product, the member schools benefit immensely from the money obtained from all the TV contracts and other arrangements, they're not compelled to pay the players in taxable income and stuff like that from a legal standpoint to this point in history, coaches make tons of money with their contracts, if they don't have to, why would they pay the players? From an economic standpoint, it makes complete sense why they'd receive all the money and improve the school, facilities, books, etc. I'd do it too.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:02 pm to ThePTExperience1969
I’ve always said they shouldn’t be paid. Athletic Dept. should have to send money to NCAA. Money goes back to school, but only a small goes to athletic department. Enough to fund each sport and update/build facilities. Rest of the money goes to academics. Coaches and ADs pay gets cut to be more in line with academic staff.
Poof! Nobody is having this argument anymore, because academics is being funded which is why the kids should be in school in the first place.
Poof! Nobody is having this argument anymore, because academics is being funded which is why the kids should be in school in the first place.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:19 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They should, burn obviously not NFL salary. Just the amount they would make working at a local food place which football does not allow them to do
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:21 pm to EA6B
Most athletic departments lose money. Very few schools would be able to afford to pay ALL hundreds of their scholarship athletes. So yeah that includes sports that don’t make very much money.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 8:31 pm to Suntiger
quote:then the academics people will say they're not getting enough
Poof! Nobody is having this argument anymore, because academics is being funded which is why the kids should be in school in the first place.
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