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re: NCAA should not pay players; debate me:
Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:57 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:57 pm to ThePTExperience1969
It is either/or, or it should be.
Either the NCAA exploits players, or it doesn’t.
If players can get by on their market value, then let them — all of them.
They can’t, of course, which is why we have the system we have now.
Either the NCAA exploits players, or it doesn’t.
If players can get by on their market value, then let them — all of them.
They can’t, of course, which is why we have the system we have now.
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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private organization
The NCAA is private. That’s not even debatable. You can parse organization vs. association. Whatever. Plenty of public entities are members of private associations and groups. Having public members does not make a private group any less private.
The public entities are free to quit if some tenet of the group is antithetical to their standards (or laws)
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:06 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:No, it isn't.
It is either/or, or it should be.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:11 pm to JasonMason
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This doesn't even come close to the revenue power 5 football teams bring in because of the players.
What part do people not understand that the football, basketball, and sometimes baseball/hockey money goes to pay for that sinkhole called women's athletics? Title 9, equal opportunity, equal funding, it's the law. You can't pay your revenue sport athletes and survive.
People begrudge a guy like Saban but for every million they pay him he brings more millions back to the AD so some girl can go to school on a full ride tennis scholarship. If Bama doesn't pay Saban he takes his services down the road and gets paid by another school to help fund girls sports.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Just because it's a better alternative than sitting out a year doesn't mean it's right. This country prohibits a lot of things like unfair labor practices and Monopolies. Both of which you could argue the NCAA is operating in.
This at least a legitimate argument. Everything else in this thread is basically “because it’s fair.”
However, there are dozens of court cases and precedent and the NCAA has never been found to be a monopoly, nor have the players been found to be employees.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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There are many roads for a player to take, some better than others. The NCAA is but one road. There is no reason for the NCAA to pay players, who have professional opportunities elsewhere. All opportunities do not need to be the same.
I would agree with this if the NCAA did not collude with professional organization to limit the opportunities of players to enter those leagues, generally to the benefit of all parties except the players.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:00 pm to mdomingue
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I would agree with this if the NCAA did not collude with professional organization to limit the opportunities of players to enter those leagues, generally to the benefit of all parties except the players.
People say this, but I’ve never seen proof.
The NFL has no interest in taking high school players or underclassmen The game is too physical and they have aggressively defended this rule in court.
The NBA one and done rule seems to do more harm than good and only affects a handful of players. It will likely end in a few years anyway.
I don’t believe the collusion talk.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:12 pm to RD Dawg
quote:Paying players, you don't agree that players are being paid now?
Phoney autograph sessions with big donors paying for memorabilia?
You prefer players to be paid under the table and against the rules as opposed to on an open market?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:14 pm to pvilleguru
quote:His OP says "debate me" but he's been asked to comment on that very thing you said by 3-4 posters probably 10 times, and he's dodged it each time.
Why can't you get it through your thick skull that it isn't an either/or situation?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:You've yet to give 1 good reason as to why you think this is.
It is either/or, or it should be.
quote:Again, no explantion, "just cause"
Either the NCAA exploits players, or it doesn’t.
quote:You've now said the same thing 3 times in 3 straight sentences, but no explanation behind it.
If players can get by on their market value, then let them — all of them.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:That's rich coming from the guy whose only argument is "just cause" when pressed
This at least a legitimate argument. Everything else in this thread is basically “because it’s fair.”
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:16 pm to shel311
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Opens up a big bag of worms. What's gonna prevent every signee at Bama or any P5 school from having an "autograph session" with big time donors their 1st day on campus?
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1. What's the issue?
2. That's already happening now, but we don't mind. Why do we mind simply making it within the rules?
There seems to be a large contingent of fans that really want to believe that D1 college athletics are amateur student athletes competing for the love of the game, and free tuition, room, and board. Not what they are, a multi-million dollar professional sports organization operating under a universities name. To bring the money changing hands into plain view would totally destroy the fairytale they try so hard to believe.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:26 pm to shel311
I’ve explained, it’s just not the answer you are looking for because you disagree.
You argue that the NCAA scholarship system is inherently evil and exploitative. Some players get screwed under this system.
What you are not saying is that the schools are also getting screwed in this system.
If we are determining winners and losers based on market value vs. scholarship value, then the third-string safety and the volleyball player are net drains on the school.
You can’t complain about the earners, without also complaining about the takers. If you want to blow up the system, then blow it up. Let’s see how much market value these players actually have.
I think you’ll find it’s very little.
You argue that the NCAA scholarship system is inherently evil and exploitative. Some players get screwed under this system.
What you are not saying is that the schools are also getting screwed in this system.
If we are determining winners and losers based on market value vs. scholarship value, then the third-string safety and the volleyball player are net drains on the school.
You can’t complain about the earners, without also complaining about the takers. If you want to blow up the system, then blow it up. Let’s see how much market value these players actually have.
I think you’ll find it’s very little.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:29 pm to EA6B
People like OP like to make the narrow argument that it’s the school, not the athletes, that drive all the money and attendance and not mutual on both sides when that’s incredibly short-sighted and tunnel vision, the schools brand athletically is due to the players and coaches that elevated it and the concept of college sports to the massive consumer market it is today, without the players and their quality of play who cares about the schools in sports? NO ONE a two-way street bro LOL
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:36 pm to ThePTExperience1969
That’s another thread. But it is all relative.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:You showed earlier in this thread you didn't understand Title IX, and you're showing it again.
You can’t complain about the earners, without also complaining about the takers. If you want to blow up the system, then blow it up. Let’s see how much market value these players actually have.
quote:You haven't.
I’ve explained, it’s just not the answer you are looking for because you disagree
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:38 pm to pvilleguru
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Agreed, but they should allow players to get paid.
nah
The NCAA should do whatever is in its best interest.
The players play within the NCAA voluntarily and the rules of the NCAA only restrict actions within the NCAA.
I agree with the OP. Unless it benefits the NCAA, the NCAA should NOT pay players.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:03 pm to msutiger
quote:He does that.
Where have I said this? You're arguing something completely different than I am talking about.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:11 pm to shel311
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You showed earlier in this thread you didn't understand Title IX, and you're showing it again.
I fully understand Title IX. There are plenty of takers in the male sports. The majority of football players are takers.
In fact, the players you people are white knighting for are a tiny fraction of the overall NCAA athletes.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:21 pm to moneyg
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The NCAA should do whatever is in its best interest.
The entire point of the NCAA is to assist student athletes. What a stupid arguement.
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