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re: NCAA should not pay players; debate me:
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:01 pm to shel311
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:01 pm to shel311
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If you concede that they don't give a shite about the student athletes, then ok.
Then why do they have water polo, field hockey, etc? If all they cared about was money, then the actual NCAA sports offering would be very small.
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If all they cared about was money, then the actual NCAA sports offering would be very small.
You mean like before the government regulated that they expand through title ix?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:05 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Bjorn's the poster child for why there needs to be a Student-Athletes' Bill of Rights passed by Congress and signed into law with the asinine statements and contradictions expressed in his posts about the "ideals" of "amateurism" 
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:05 pm to pvilleguru
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Letting a player sign an autograph for $1000 wouldn't hurt the NCAA
Opens up a big bag of worms.
What's gonna prevent every signee at Bama or any P5 school from having an "autograph session" with big time donors their 1st day on campus?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:07 pm to RD Dawg
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What's gonna prevent every signee at Bama or any P5 school from having an "autograph session" with big time donors their 1st day on campus?
Why would it need to be prevented?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:07 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Who do you think is being screwed and how?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:08 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:I don't pay taxes because I love it and care so much. It's because I have to.
Then why do they have water polo, field hockey, etc? If all they cared about was money, then the actual NCAA sports offering would be very small.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:11 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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about the "ideals" of "amateurism"
I don't give a frick about amateurism and never stated anything of the sort.
I care about a private organization making rules as it sees fit.
Every student-athlete has options. James Wiseman committed to Memphis today. Why did he do that? He could easily sign with an agent, spend a year working out and prepping for the NBA combines and be a guaranteed lottery pick next year.
However, there is extreme value in playing NCAA basketball. Why did Ben Simmons do it? Why is Zion Williamson doing it?
To act like these players are being exploited is ridiculous.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They should pay them if they hire them for jobs.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:17 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
go back to real student athletes.....
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:17 pm to ThePTExperience1969
What is the actual market value for an 18-year-old football player? It's near zero.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:21 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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There are multitude other reasons, ranging from Title IX, to affordability. The fact is, it won't happen. There are many colleges that would abandon sports (or the NCAA altogether) before that happened.
You do know that they are currently paying student athletes
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:23 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Who do you think is being screwed and how?
Most screwed: Players who will not be good pros (or will not make it) but are popular on their college teams, these people have a small window of opportunity to have a once in a lifetime experience if capitalizing off their likeness.
America is a capitalist society, and as a core value we should be opposed to excess bureaucracy preventing people from making money, provided it's not directly exploiting or hurting anybody.
The entire damn concept of our economic system is based on this. If CampusTown Pizza thinks they can sell $5000 more worth of Pizza if they have a poster of the local team's starting QB out front, and they're willing to pay Mr. QB $1000 for an hour long photo shoot and rights to use the images - there is no fundamental aspect of a capitalist system that should be preventing this.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I care about a private organization making rules as it sees fit
Except it's not really private.
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However, there is extreme value in playing NCAA basketball. Why did Ben Simmons do it? Why is Zion Williamson doing it?
Just because it's a better alternative than sitting out a year doesn't mean it's right. This country prohibits a lot of things like unfair labor practices and Monopolies. Both of which you could argue the NCAA is operating in.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:29 pm to BRIllini07
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Most screwed: Players who will not be good pros (or will not make it) but are popular on their college teams, these people have a small window of opportunity to have a once in a lifetime experience if capitalizing off their likeness.
See: Jonny Manziel
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Because they have to.
Then why do they have water polo, field hockey, etc? If all they cared about was money, then the actual NCAA sports offering would be very small.
To be totally honest, the fact that you didn't realize that should basically disqualify you from this discussion.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:30 pm to RD Dawg
quote:1. What's the issue?
Opens up a big bag of worms.
What's gonna prevent every signee at Bama or any P5 school from having an "autograph session" with big time donors their 1st day on campus?
2. That's already happening now, but we don't mind. Why do we mind simply making it within the rules?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:There's only one way to find out, let the market decide.
What is the actual market value for an 18-year-old football player?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don't give a frick about amateurism and never stated anything of the sort.
I care about a private organization making rules as it sees fit.
Why did the NCAA, a private organization, promote amateurism? Don't you see how that is in the benefit of the organization? The NCAA certainly did not envision becoming the de facto minor leagues system for two professional sports leagues, and thus, the benefits of amateurism have run their course. A new system needs to be put in place with regard to these sports in particular, but that could be applied to all sports.
The easy way to do this is to handle basketball and football players the same way schools handle graduate students is the easy solution for this. Graduate students usually bring in grant money and teach classes in exchange for a stipend and a scholarship. The money that basketball and football players, specifically, bring in is much greater than the amount that a graduate teaching assistant in say English brings in. Better schools, better programs, will obviously have better stipends to offer players, which adds another angle to recruiting.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:33 pm to BRIllini07
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If CampusTown Pizza thinks they can sell $5000 more worth of Pizza if they have a poster of the local team's starting QB out front, and they're willing to pay Mr. QB $1000 for an hour long photo shoot and rights to use the images - there is no fundamental aspect of a capitalist system that should be preventing this.
Do you really think it would stop there? What’s to stop Phil Knight from promising every recruit a six-figure deal with Nike if the commit to Oregon? Is that really where we want to take this?
We do have a capitalist system now. Organizations have come together and created the rules they see fit. It’s a voluntary system for the participants. They exchange their talents for the benefit of being developed and showcased to future employers. Acting like these kids are exploited is one of the biggest farces going right now. There isn’t a single way to pay players that would be fair for all athletes that also wouldn’t change the entirety of college sports. It would create a ripple effect of issues.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 5:35 pm
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