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re: NCAA Playoffs Look Like A Reality in 2014
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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look at 1 year later with UT-OU
not a fair comparison...that was a three way tie. a two way tie puts UT in automatically. i looked at that issue this way. Best win: UT...best loss:UT...worst loss:Tech...best resume OU. And that's the point, UT had both the best win AND loss, but OU had the better body of work.(and got lucky because they lost before the others)
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i think you're using a different definition of "eyeball" test than i am, b/c you're thinking of it in terms of only at the end
not really...honestly after the UF game that year, i thought we were pretty average.
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:30 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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.that was a three way tie
but it was determined by BCS rankings in the end, between UT and OU. that's just like UGA-LSU
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honestly after the UF game that year, i thought we were pretty average.
and UGA was blown out at one point in 2007, but you said they passed the "eyeball" test
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:32 pm to loweralabamatrojan
So 10-2 Oregon should have gone to a playoff over Stanford? Yep they beat them head to head but they had 2 in the L column, and Stanford had a 1. So one game didn't matter. Why was it played?
So, 119 game schedule ftw. Or cancel the sport
So, 119 game schedule ftw. Or cancel the sport
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:35 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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So impossible every other division of college football has been doing it for decades
and their regular seasons are devalued.
How many times have more than 4 teams finished the season undefeated? 2004 and 2009? I can't think of any others.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:37 pm to 3rdandlong83
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So 10-2 Oregon should have gone to a playoff over Stanford? Yep they beat them head to head but they had 2 in the L column, and Stanford had a 1. So one game didn't matter. Why was it played?
I really don't understand what you are getting at? Absolutely Oregon should have gone over Stanford. Taking Stanford over OU is saying DO NOT play any big OOC games.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but it was determined by BCS rankings in the end, between UT and OU
only because it was a 3 way tie, with out TTU, UT goes period and they prolly would have been ranked over OU in the human polls. Its really nothing like LSU and UGA.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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How many times have more than 4 teams finished the season undefeated? 2004 and 2009?
1969,1971, Just to name a few.I know you are talking the BCS era. And I am FINE with the way it is. BOTTOM LINE is play in the Best conference and win every game. EASY??? NO. But a sure LOCK to get to the BCS NCgame.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
having the BCS judge the participants is analogous
one was just for the conf title game and one was for the national title game
take that away and BCS rankings determined who went to that next game
one was just for the conf title game and one was for the national title game
take that away and BCS rankings determined who went to that next game
This post was edited on 2/26/12 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:41 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
One other thing that gets overlooked is the Name Brand Test. Give OSU's 2011 resume to OU or Texas and see if Bama is still ahead.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Give OSU's 2011 resume to OU or Texas and see if Bama is still ahead.
Good point. BUT they lost a game they should have won. I will say this. OSU would have given Bama a MUCH better game than LSU did.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like i said, you'd have to incorporate a safety valve of including every conference, which is going full retard like CBB
Not really. You could require a team to be ranked in order to qualify.
Go look up I-AA's playoffs sometime. Those started out with just four teams. Northern Arizona, SC State, Western Kentucky, and Grambling were all conference champions who didn't get in. Just a couple of years ago, neither of the Big South's co-champions (Liberty and Stony Brook) went to the playoffs.
You can have a safety valve for the safety valve by setting minimum standards. Then you don't get the WAC or Sun Belt champion.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
In the OU-UT case the BCS was used only because there was a 3-way tie.
In the LSU-UGA case, LSU moved ahead of UGA in all polls in order to put us over them in the final BCS because we had a better resume and won our conference.
In the LSU-UGA case, LSU moved ahead of UGA in all polls in order to put us over them in the final BCS because we had a better resume and won our conference.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1AA and D1A are not really comparable
like i said, you'd have to incorporate a safety valve of including every conference, which is going full retard like CBB
It is really not hard at all. 11 team playoff only conference champions make it(CUSA and MWC merge to make only 10 conference + you make all the indys schedule each other highest ranked team makes it in).
Play in game between 2 lowest ranked teams then a basic 10 team playoff. play in winner and next 3 lowest ranked teams play and form the 8 team playoff.
All games until semi finals are played at higher seed's homefield
Last 3 games(semi finals and championship are nuetral games at rotating Fiesta Orange Sugar and Rose)
And all ratings are done with a basic unbiased formula. win % + .5(opps win%) add a win to all teams played on the road. Have some kind of committee that decides what is neutral and what is on the road. For example Boise playing Virginia Tech in DC counts as a road game for Boise
hope that makes sense
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:46 pm to dukke v
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BUT they lost a game they should have won
Yes, they have only themselves to blame.
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OSU would have given Bama a MUCH better game than LSU did.
I'm not so sure, they would have had more yards on offense and scored, but the margin of victory may have been worse, a lot worse if Bama started getting TO's and scoring off of them.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:47 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Not really. You could require a team to be ranked in order to qualify.
that doesn't really solve anything, esp with how non-BCS schools get overrated in the polls now
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Then you don't get the WAC or Sun Belt champion.
essentially everybody would be cool with the mountain west champ and that's about it
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I doubt it would ever grow beyond 8 at most
here's why i think 8 is the solution...note that i think 8 is too many, but here's why i think it works.
1. If you take the 6 conference champs, you're saying to them, if you do A, you get B. This is the part of the current system that John Q Public doesn't like, so he's satisfied. It's objective. Not one team, outside of ND and the few other independents, can say they didn't have a chance.
2. You use the BCS system to determine the other two...deserving teams in strong conferences have a chance of getting in...if they don't though, see #1.
I know the argument against it will be that weak teams could luck into a championship like the NFL or March Madness, but i think the disparity between the haves and have nots in college football is big enough so that doesn't happen. In fact, i think the current system is just aching for a Boise or TCU to win a title. all they have to do is get into the game (and they were a missed FG and Bama meltdown against AU) from it happening in 2010. And like i said, 8 is too many imo, but it's a compromise to the 32 team free for all that some favor.
what's being suggested by the administrators is nothing new...it's merely an expansion of the current system.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:50 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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then a basic 10 team playoff.
there is nothing "Basic" about a 10 team playoff, and 10 teams is waaaayyyy too many
plus it is illogical. you're giving entitlements to conference champs of shite conferences and leaving out much better teams from superior conferences who didn't win the title. what is the fricking point if teh best teams don't get in?
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And all ratings are done with a basic unbiased formula. win % + .5(opps win%)
so all wins are created equal?
you're going to overrate teh frick out of non-BCS teams who play nobodies with decent records against other nobodies
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Have some kind of committee that decides what is neutral and what is on the road. For example Boise playing Virginia Tech in DC counts as a road game for Boise
that makes NO sense whatsoever. home is home. away is away. neutral is neutral.
Boise agreed to play in DC. they shouldn't benefit from that choice
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:57 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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11 team playoff only conference champions make it(CUSA and MWC merge to make only 10 conference + you make all the indys schedule each other highest ranked team makes it in).
Posted on 2/26/12 at 4:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
glad you took this up, i looked at the first page and decided this was just going to be banging my head against the wall.
oh and conference champs only is idiotic unless all conferences play a championship game, and even then its still pretty dumb.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 4:02 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
That's really not a bad plan, and i agree 8 is too many, as long as its not just the 6 BCS conferences get an AQ. If you could, take the top 6 conference winners as long as they are in the top say 12-15, so no unranked UConn gets in for winning the Big East. If you don't have 6 top 12-15 conference winners, then the next non conference winners get in.
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