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NBA upholds flagrant 1 for jr smith, no further discipline
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:41 pm
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The NBA has a serious potential problem on their hands with the inconsistent way flagrant fouls are each called. Like rivaling the catch rule in the NFL.
Smith was called for a flagrant 1 and allowed to finish the game. He made no attempt to make a play on the ball. He admitted after the game it was intentional. C
Derozan got a flagrant 2 and ejected for hitting clarkson in the head while making a legitimate play on the ball.
They need to get a handle on this.
The NBA has a serious potential problem on their hands with the inconsistent way flagrant fouls are each called. Like rivaling the catch rule in the NFL.
Smith was called for a flagrant 1 and allowed to finish the game. He made no attempt to make a play on the ball. He admitted after the game it was intentional. C
Derozan got a flagrant 2 and ejected for hitting clarkson in the head while making a legitimate play on the ball.
They need to get a handle on this.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:43 pm to Open Your Eyes
Don’t forgot Westbrook storming the court then the NBA allowing him to play the following game (when they suspended Amare a decade prior and even somebody else more recently but I forgot who).
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:44 pm to Open Your Eyes
It’s the NBA
This time of year it all depends on your name and what jersey you wear. That’s it
This time of year it all depends on your name and what jersey you wear. That’s it
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:49 pm to Open Your Eyes
I wouldn't have a problem with the Flagrant 2, but when you watch that foul, Horford embellished the hell out of it.
Seriously, he wasn't "shoved" into the stands.
ETA - It could have been a major injury for Horford, I don't disagree.
Seriously, he wasn't "shoved" into the stands.
ETA - It could have been a major injury for Horford, I don't disagree.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:50 pm to PhillyTiger90
They want everybody out there on the court. That’s the way it should be imo.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:52 pm to theducks
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Don’t forgot Westbrook storming the court then the NBA allowing him to play the following game (when they suspended Amare a decade prior and even somebody else more recently but I forgot who).
Is there are a rule that says leaving the scorer’s table is an automatic suspension? Is there a rule that says the scorer’s table is an extension of the bench?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:53 pm to Open Your Eyes
The NBA doing the Celtics a favor by allowing JR to play
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:53 pm to Open Your Eyes
What Smith did was actually much worse than most of the hard fouls that prompted the NBA's flagrant foul policy in the early 90's.
Horford was completely defenseless and could've easily had a bad injury. And that was Smith's goal.
Horford was completely defenseless and could've easily had a bad injury. And that was Smith's goal.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:53 pm to slackster
quote:How do you embellish the impact a push has on you when you’re three feet off the ground? I think that’s actually physically impossible.
I wouldn't have a problem with the Flagrant 2, but when you watch that foul, Horford embellished the hell out of it. Seriously, he wasn't "shoved" into the stands.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:55 pm to slackster
I don't think horford's reaction should factor into the decision at all.
Smith put 2 hands in his back while he was defenseless in the air and pushed him, with absolutely no attempt to make a play on the ball. He admitted as much after the game.
That has the potential to lead to multiple serious injuries and should not be tolerated in any way. It was far more egregious than what derozan did.
Smith put 2 hands in his back while he was defenseless in the air and pushed him, with absolutely no attempt to make a play on the ball. He admitted as much after the game.
That has the potential to lead to multiple serious injuries and should not be tolerated in any way. It was far more egregious than what derozan did.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:56 pm to Open Your Eyes
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don't think horford's reaction should factor into the decision at all. Smith put 2 hands in his back while he was defenseless in the air and pushed him, with absolutely no attempt to make a play on the ball. He admitted as much after the game. That has the potential to lead to multiple serious injuries and should not be tolerated in any way. It was far more egregious than what derozan did.
I agree with all of this, but that's not how the NBA works.
If Horford lands on his feet, I doubt they even call the Flagrant 1. They officiate based on the result, not the intent.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:02 pm to beaverfever
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How do you embellish the impact a push has on you when you’re three feet off the ground? I think that’s actually physically impossible.
I probably should rephrase that, but I don't know how else to put it.
It was a bad alley-oop, Horford was running the lane, tried to slow down and jump, and JR stayed moving with him and pushed him. Horford was going out of bounds even without a shove IIRC.
I could be misremembering it, but I thought it didn't look as bad on replay last night.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:03 pm to PhillyTiger90
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It’s the NBA This time of year it all depends on your name and what jersey you wear. That’s it
To be fair, suspending JR would probably do the Cavs a favor. He's been horrific.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:06 pm to Open Your Eyes
I don't know where the line is technically drawn.
But, the Smith foul didn't seem dangerous to me at all. Obviously, it was intentional. But, it was meant to prevent an easy basket...and was not overly aggressive.
But, the Smith foul didn't seem dangerous to me at all. Obviously, it was intentional. But, it was meant to prevent an easy basket...and was not overly aggressive.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:07 pm to slackster
I get what you're saying in that it didn't look like Smith pushed Horford very hard.
However, it doesn't take much of a shove to throw someone dangerously off-balance if they're pushed in the direction they're jumping. This is especially true in an alley-oop situation, where the player has their arms extended up high and probably can't use them to brace the fall.
To me, that play just smacked of "let's see if we can change the series by getting rid of Horford." Others can reasonably disagree, I think.
However, it doesn't take much of a shove to throw someone dangerously off-balance if they're pushed in the direction they're jumping. This is especially true in an alley-oop situation, where the player has their arms extended up high and probably can't use them to brace the fall.
To me, that play just smacked of "let's see if we can change the series by getting rid of Horford." Others can reasonably disagree, I think.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:13 pm to MikeyFL
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I get what you're saying in that it didn't look like Smith pushed Horford very hard.
Yeah, that's basically my point. Embellished wasn't the right way to say it - I just thought Horford was going to the ground regardless.
The intent of JR was dirty. He was frustrated and took it out on Horford. I said originally I wouldn't have a problem with a Flagrant 2.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:15 pm to slackster
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They officiate based on the result, not the intent.
They should be officiating based on the action. Neither the result nor intent has any bearing on the act that was committed.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:30 pm to Cap Crunch
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The NBA doing the Celtics a favor by allowing JR to play
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:34 pm to slackster
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Horford embellished the hell out of it.
Seriously, he wasn't "shoved" into the stands.
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slackster
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:35 pm to PhillyTiger90
quote:The refs tried real hard to even the series last night but they can only do so much.
This time of year it all depends on your name and what jersey you wear. That’s it
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