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re: NBA Offseason Thread | Media Day
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:02 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:02 pm to WestCoastAg
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The only truly ridiculous thing that I feel has come from this is them asking for a return for lebron
If they believe Lebron won’t come unless we have a superstar, I don’t see why that’s ridiculous.
If that truly is the case, would you not be willing to give up more to get Kawhi?
You get what you can get in any trade.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 12:03 pm
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Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:04 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Correct, but again, this doesn't and shouldn't change the Spurs ask right now at this very moment.
The Lakers could easily be getting info from lebron that hes coming and that they dont need to make a move
quote:Correct, and same as above, still doesn't change or make the Spurs ask "insane"
They can operating the same exact way, just from a different side
quote:AGAIN, from a Spurs perspective, 2 days ago it was not insane to ask for Ingram, and today it is still not insane to ask for Ingram.
they can ask for the moon all they want. Doesnt mean asking for a return for lebron is any less ridiculous imo
quote:Because every other team gets 1 year of Kawhi, do you really not understand why the Lakers would have to pay more for that convenience? Or at the very least, the Spurs should absolutely be asking for more specifically because of that, right?
I didn't say it was insane to ask for Ingram. I said it's insane that Ingram is even on the table when no one else is offering a similar player.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:06 pm to Weagle25
quote:Exactly. If it was teh literal case, Lebron comes if you get Kawhi, Lebron does not come if you don't....of course the Spurs should add a premium to their demand specifically because of Lebron.
If they believe Lebron won’t come unless we have a superstar, I don’t see why that’s ridiculous.
If that truly is the case, would you not be willing to give up more to get Kawhi?
And while that may not be the case because Lebron may come regardless, at this very moment, the Spurs should still operate under that guise logically speaking, and it's not insane at all to ask for more. It doesn't mean the Lakers have to accept or consider it, it's just the play SAS should be taking right now while they are in no rush to make any hasty decisions.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:09 pm to shel311
quote:but why should the Lakers pay more when there is no true competition for Kawhi? If everyone is paying 25 cents on the dollar, why should the Lakers pay 50? The spurs should operate under tying to get the most out of this deal, and the Lakers should operate trying to get pay the least. The Lakers have no incentive to put Ingram in a deal no matter what the spurs ask if no one actually makes a competitive offer
Because every other team gets 1 year of Kawhi, do you really not understand why the Lakers would have to pay more for that convenience?
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:12 pm to WestCoastAg
Lets say no one makes a competitive offer but the Spurs won’t budge. What do you do as the Lakers (assuming Lebron won’t come unless another superstar is on board)?
Do you let Lebron walk and sign Kawhi the next year?
Doesn’t seem like a smart decision to me. Which means I have extra incentive to make the deal happen. When you have extra incentive, you are willing to pay a higher price. If the Spurs know we would be willing to pay a higher price, why would they bring the price down for us to match other offers of teams who aren’t as willing?
I don’t understand how you can say this operating under the assumption that Lebron isn’t coming unless this deal gets done
Do you let Lebron walk and sign Kawhi the next year?
Doesn’t seem like a smart decision to me. Which means I have extra incentive to make the deal happen. When you have extra incentive, you are willing to pay a higher price. If the Spurs know we would be willing to pay a higher price, why would they bring the price down for us to match other offers of teams who aren’t as willing?
quote:
The Lakers have no incentive to put Ingram in a deal no matter what the spurs ask if no one actually makes a competitive offer
I don’t understand how you can say this operating under the assumption that Lebron isn’t coming unless this deal gets done
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:16 pm to WestCoastAg
Are you obtuse?
Kwahi is the 2nd or 3rd best player in the fricking league.
Players of that caliber demand lots back with any trade partners. Who cares if the Lakers are bidding against themselves? Its a non-issue because the Spurs hold all the cards. They don't have to trade him because everyone knows other contending teams will pony up at the trade deadline.
Its not that fricking difficult to understand.
Kwahi is the 2nd or 3rd best player in the fricking league.
Players of that caliber demand lots back with any trade partners. Who cares if the Lakers are bidding against themselves? Its a non-issue because the Spurs hold all the cards. They don't have to trade him because everyone knows other contending teams will pony up at the trade deadline.
Its not that fricking difficult to understand.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:19 pm to Weagle25
If lebron is actually stipulating the Lakers get Kawhi, then you find a way to make the deal. But if isn't, then you make the best deal that you can
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:21 pm to WestCoastAg
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If lebron is actually stipulating the Lakers get Kawhi, then you find a way to make the deal. But if isn't, then you make the best deal that you can
Ok then where is the disagreement? All Shel is saying is the Spurs are going to assume that is the case until we know it’s not. The Spurs aren’t going to look at some rumors saying Lebron would come anyways. They want to see him sign with the Lakers before they would take him out of the price of Kawhi
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:22 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:I should have reworded my post to say that the Spurs would ask LAL for more, but you get the point.
but why should the Lakers pay more when there is no true competition for Kawhi?
That's a fair reply, but if LAL won't pay more, that does open the door for SAS to ship him to Boston or Philly since LAL's offer may not be better than other teams. We assume 1 year in Boston, but maybe GS has an injury and Boston comes together and wins a title or whatever, you get the idea. Then Kawhi decides he maybe does want to stay long term.
Just pointing out it's not wrong of the Lakers to operate that way, but there is a risk associated with it. And it's fair for the Spurs to ask for more from LAL based on the circumstances.
quote:Because SAS is leveraging Kawhi's wanting to stay in LAL long term and possibly 1 year in the other places. I imagine if the roles were reversed, you'd be totally on board with your team the Lakers asking for more from that team, no?
f everyone is paying 25 cents on the dollar, why should the Lakers pay 50?
quote:Right, which is exactly what the Spurs are doing...and you called it insane.
The spurs should operate under tying to get the most out of this deal, and the Lakers should operate trying to get pay the least.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:23 pm to BayouCatFan
quote:what? How in the world do the spurs hold all the cards? They are losing him next summer. They dont hold all the cards. The Lakers dont need to trade for hom this offseason, when he can come in free agency next season
Its a non-issue because the Spurs hold all the cards. They don't have to trade him because everyone knows other contending teams will pony up at the trade deadline.
The only way the spurs could incentivize the Lakers to make a fair deal is if lebron outright told them they need Kawhi. Could that happen? Sure. But that's not what the current rumor is
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:24 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:So shouldn't the Spurs operate under this assumption until it is not so?
If lebron is actually stipulating the Lakers get Kawhi, then you find a way to make the deal. But if isn't, then you make the best deal that you can
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:26 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:You said that exact thing was "insane" a few pages ago.
The only way the spurs could incentivize the Lakers to make a fair deal is if lebron outright told them they need Kawhi.
I feel like we're back to you thinking the Spurs should change their stances based on rumors, which is...well...insane.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:26 pm to shel311
quote:I called them asking for a return for lebron insane
Right, which is exactly what the Spurs are doing...and you called it insane.
quote:I would want them to ask for as much as they could possibly get. Once again, my comment had absolutely nothing to so with the spurs and everything g ti di with how people are discussing potential trades. The spurs should ask for Ingram. They should try to get the best deal. I never argued against that
Because SAS is leveraging Kawhi's wanting to stay in LAL long term and possibly 1 year in the other places. I imagine if the roles were reversed, you'd be totally on board with your team the Lakers asking for more from that team, no?
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:28 pm to shel311
This is just something we are going to disagree on
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:29 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Then 2 minutes ago said the Lakers could pay a premium for this same reason. You lost me completely.
I called them asking for a return for lebron insane
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:29 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Except that you just seemed to agree with me
This is just something we are going to disagree on
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:30 pm to shel311
I really dont. But that's cool
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:30 pm to shel311
quote:
You 4 lost me completely.
Yep I’m lost to.
Asking for a return for Lebron is insane. But also perfectly reasonable at the same time. I don’t know how he’s jiving that
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:32 pm to Weagle25
quote:
Asking for a return for Lebron is insane. But also perfectly reasonable at the same time
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:33 pm to Weagle25
quote:I don't know, but as you pointed out, he did say those 2 statements.
Asking for a return for Lebron is insane. But also perfectly reasonable at the same time. I don’t know how he’s jiving that
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