re: NBA Free Agency Thread: Day 21

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Bulls Send: C Joakim Noah F Doug McDermott Hawks Send: F Paul Millsap F Kyle Korver Future 1st Round Pick

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So.... the Bulls get exponentially worse in that trade. And you have to move Gasol to Center, which is a downgrade. The entire trade is a downgrade for the Bulls. And McBuckets looks like hes more than just a shooter, which is what Korver is. McBuckets will most likely be a more complete player than Korver is. And not to mention that Korver is 33years old that makes $6m a year, while McBuckets is 22years old on a rookie deal.

Why the frick would they do that? Especially when you consider they are 1 of the few teams that have been mentioned as a landing spot for Love already. Why make that trade, get worse, and try to go after Love when they can sit with what they have and still got after Love? And if they dont get him, which they wont, they still will be way better off anyways.

Wishful thinking is just that.... wishful thinking.

Not to mention that Noah has been the face of the Chicago Bulls these past 2 seasons without Rose, and has turned into a dominant player. And is the anchor to Thibs defense. He aint going anywhere. You could argue that they would trade Rose before they trade Noah.

This is what Noah thinks of this...

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ESPN sources say Mavs will be hosting free-agent point guard Jameer Nelson in Dallas for a face-to-face visit Thursday

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Mavs still have their $2.7 million room exception to offer Jameer Nelson and are hopeful of completing a deal with the veteran point

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Local resident Mo Williams has also had a face-to-face sitdown with Dallas this month as Mavs try to secure one more vet PG for backcourt

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Noah has quickly become one of the most overrated players in the league

Don't get me wrong. I love the guy and would love him on my team but he is not a dominant player. He's a guy who is a team player and will give a ton of effort and play good defense.

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Is he one of the better centers in the league? Yes.

Is he on a good salary? Yes @12mil/yr considering what other centers get and what he brings to the table.

Is he the anchor, leader, and effort man of the Bulls? Yes

Is he easily replaceable? No

The guy defines Thibs system the past couple of years - team play and effort and this dude wants to trade him and a young potential scorer for average players.

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Just feel like he had gotten a little overrated after this season

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I think he is slightly overrated as an individual defender, but he is still a top 3 Center imo. He just does so many things well.

eta: To clarify; He's one of the best team defenders in the league and QB's Thibs system.

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love the guy and would love him on my team but he is not a dominant player.

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I disagree. Hes not a great scorer, I agree with that. And most people just look at ppg to judge a player. And when you look at Noahs ppg, its not great or dominant.

But, when you look at his complete stat line its more impressive. 12.6ppg, 11.3rebs, 5.4assists (Lillard averages 5.6assists), 1.5bpg, 1.2steals per game. He does it all. And then when you watch them play, its even more impressive.

Look at his PIE (player impact estimate / % of game events where player is involved. ) and his usage rate. His PIE is 15.7% and usage rate was 18.7. Since they started using advanced metrics for players, only 8 players have had a usage rate below 20, with a PIE above 15%. Those players are John Stockton, Mutombo, Jason Kidd, Anthony Mason, Ben Wallace, Boozer, Al Horford, and now Noah. And Noah had the lowest usage rate out of all those players, and the only 2 guys with a higher PIE overall were Kidd and Stockton.

This past season, Noah had the 15th best PIE in the NBA. Better than Aldridge, Timmy D, Howard, Wade, etc. But, out of everyone in the top 25 of PIE, the 2nd lowest usage rate was 23.4, which goes to Chris Paul. Everyone else in the top 25 of PIE had a usage rate above 25. Noah's usage rate was 18.7. Ridiculous.

And then you gotta look at his passing and rebounding skills. He had an assist rate of 25.3%, and a rebounding rate of 18.3%. Since the 1970 NBA season, only 1 other player has ever had an assist % higher than 25% and a rebounding % higher than 18%. It was Kevin Garnett. But the difference is that his usage rate when he achieved this was 26.4 and 27.1. Noahs was 18.7. And it was only the 22nd time a player averaged at least 11rebs and 5 assists, and hes the 1st Center to do it since Kareem.

Not to mention that he was the DPOY. Noah is a dominant player. And he does it without scoring a lot of points, and with an extremely low usage rate.

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They would have had less than 15 wins? I'm calling bullshite.

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DJ Augustine
Jimmy Butler
Mike Dunleavy
Carlos Boozer
Nazr Mohammed

They would be trotting that lineup out. Still think they wouldn't have the worst record?

PIE = player impact estimate. PIE measures a player's overall statistical contribution against the total statistics in games they play in. Its pretty much another advances metric that tells you how impactful a player is. And a low usage rate with a high PIE means you are making a huge impact in the game without being a dominant scorer or dominating possession.

Noah is a dominant player and does it with a usage rate way lower than other players. Meaning he makes a huge impact on the game without having to have the ball and what not.

I've read where nba scouts and writers said Noah just had the most complete dominant season by a non scorer type player in 45 years. Which was when Bill Russell was playing. Noah is a dominant player. It's an unorthodox way, and a way most people aren't used to, but he's still a dominant player.

Jameer Nelson for $2.7M/yr would be a great damn signing for the Mavs.

Nelson (30 mins)/Harris (18 mins)
Ellis (32 mins)/Crowder & Harris split (15 mins)
Parsons (32 mins)/Jefferson & Crowder split (16 mins)
Dirk (30 mins)/Wright (18 mins)
Chandler (28 mins)/Smith & James split (20 mins)

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Noah is arguably the best center in the league

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It's sad how much the center position has deteriorated since the 80s.