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re: NBA Free Agency Thread: Day 21
Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:54 pm to Sandkhan
Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:54 pm to Sandkhan
Hell, even if you don't want Kyrie, take him and flip him for something you do want. Greg Monroe. Or Hibbert and picks. My understanding of Minnesota is that they didn't do the Love to Boston deal because they have this delusion of winning now in the stacked West. I personally don't think any of these deals get them in the playoffs, but with Irving....or Monroe and change, I think you're closer to staying competitive than bringing in Wiggins.
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:57 pm to Sandkhan
I don't see how Rubio, Irving, and LeVine can play together. Honestly I think there is a chance Minnesota keeps Love and hopes for a playoff run to convince Love to stay. They weren't far away last year even with bad coaching and a lot of injuries.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:59 pm to VOLhalla
Kyrie can't be traded for 6 months, and the chances of Kyrie being traded are 0.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 8:21 pm to VOLhalla
I honestly think Minnesota could go to the finals and Love wouldn't stay. He wants out of Minnesota. The combination of it being mind numbingly cold the entire season and how they botched his extension....he's not coming back. I think Irving is a better haul than any other pieces being mentioned. Again, locked up for 6 years(that's HUGE in Minnesota) and if you don't want him, flip him. I like that more for them than overpaying David Lee and Klay Thompson. I also like it more than Wiggins if they wanna win now. They have Levine and he is Wiggins lite.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 8:25 pm to philabuck
I agree it won't happen. But with free agency winding down, I can't imagine a better deal for all parties involved. Concievably, if you're these teams, you wait the 6 months and do the deal. And if whichever team meshes and comes on, if you like your core, do the deal.
But you, personally, as a Cavs fan, wouldn't you rather do this megadeal than straight Wiggins/Bennett/picks for Love?
But you, personally, as a Cavs fan, wouldn't you rather do this megadeal than straight Wiggins/Bennett/picks for Love?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 9:01 pm to Sandkhan
Love has a good relationship with the Timberwolves but he's frustrated with losing. If the Timberwolves some how turn it around and make it to the finals next year he could resign with them. But that's not going to happen.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:06 pm to Sandkhan
Not that I think especially high of Kyrie or anything, but I think the Cavs would send a bad precedent by shipping out their young star that just signed a max extension.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:10 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Oh Kyrie would definitely be pissed. And it wouldn't look particularly good. But at that point, if LeBron is cool with it, then you are set for a LONG LONG time and have plenty of time to build back good will.
It's also not like Kyrie has been a saint his entire time in Cleveland. There have been rumblings about him wanting to be traded and his public issues with Dion. It wouldn't exactly be pretty, but wouldn't be as ugly as if Kyrie had been a model of Mr Cav either.
It's also not like Kyrie has been a saint his entire time in Cleveland. There have been rumblings about him wanting to be traded and his public issues with Dion. It wouldn't exactly be pretty, but wouldn't be as ugly as if Kyrie had been a model of Mr Cav either.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:18 pm to Sandkhan
Flip is hoping the wolves turn into last years Blazers
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:20 pm to Sandkhan
Fair enough.
I really don't know what's stranger, that the Cavs are actually offering Wiggins, Bennett AND draft picks, or that the Wolves didn't accept that deal before the guy on the phone was able to end his sentence.
I really don't know what's stranger, that the Cavs are actually offering Wiggins, Bennett AND draft picks, or that the Wolves didn't accept that deal before the guy on the phone was able to end his sentence.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:26 pm to NawlinsTiger9
They should just accept the fact that they're stuck in neutral, take wiggins/bennett/draft picks and tank.
Hope they land a top 2 draft pick, pick Okafor or Mudiay and pretty much build around 2 potential superstars.
Hope they land a top 2 draft pick, pick Okafor or Mudiay and pretty much build around 2 potential superstars.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:28 pm to htran90
Rubio
Lavine
Wiggins
Pek
Okafor
That's pretty solid and young
Lavine
Wiggins
Pek
Okafor
That's pretty solid and young
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:28 pm to VOLhalla
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Love has a good relationship with the Timberwolves but he's frustrated with losing. If the Timberwolves some how turn it around and make it to the finals next year he could resign with them. But that's not going to happen.
I'm sure he is frustrated of losing and embarrassed to be around other team USA guys who have been the playoffs as he has said before. He hasn't been mr healthy or durable during his time in the league thus far. I don't think him or Rubio deserved that big full max deal in Minnesota. The wolves would be in an even worse position had Love received that type of deal.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:30 pm to GeauxAggie972
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Jordan Schultz: Hearing Suns may be considering a Greg Monroe offer. They have space to get both him and Bledsoe but would lose cap flexibility long-term.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:34 pm to htran90
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They should just accept the fact that they're stuck in neutral, take wiggins/bennett/draft picks and tank.
I agree, I'd go into a full-blown rebuild mode, and the awesome thing about that for them with this deal is that they will have claimed the gold medal of tanking before they even really fire up the tank.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:34 pm to supatigah
I'm sure he'd love to do that. I've heard that thought kicked about. Here are the issues with that idea though.
1. The Trailblazers are just a lot more talented than the Wolves. If Aldridge and Love are something close to a wash, the Wolves don't have anything resembling Lillard. Or Batum. And top to bottom their role players are just a lot better too.
2. Even if they pull off this turnaround, I don't see Love resigning. Volhalla and I disagree on this. Minnesota is probably the least appealing NBA destination right now if you factor in the cold, it being farther away than any other NBA city, and the poor management. It's not hard to turn it around and convince Aldridge to stay in Portland. Portland is a cool city with decent management. Minnesota is freezing with an upper management shite show. If they pull off some crazy turnaround....and let's say go on some Angels in the Outfield tear and get the 3 seed. Advance to the 2nd round or even the conference finals(none of this is going to happen btw, they aren't that good)....that's their ceiling. Free agents will never join. So that leaves them in the old LeBron/Cleveland vaccuum of not good enough to win it all, not bad enough to improve, not in a good enough city to get FA.
Love is GONE. If they play hardball with him, they'll have their hearts broken and be lucky to get a pick back in a sign and trade.
1. The Trailblazers are just a lot more talented than the Wolves. If Aldridge and Love are something close to a wash, the Wolves don't have anything resembling Lillard. Or Batum. And top to bottom their role players are just a lot better too.
2. Even if they pull off this turnaround, I don't see Love resigning. Volhalla and I disagree on this. Minnesota is probably the least appealing NBA destination right now if you factor in the cold, it being farther away than any other NBA city, and the poor management. It's not hard to turn it around and convince Aldridge to stay in Portland. Portland is a cool city with decent management. Minnesota is freezing with an upper management shite show. If they pull off some crazy turnaround....and let's say go on some Angels in the Outfield tear and get the 3 seed. Advance to the 2nd round or even the conference finals(none of this is going to happen btw, they aren't that good)....that's their ceiling. Free agents will never join. So that leaves them in the old LeBron/Cleveland vaccuum of not good enough to win it all, not bad enough to improve, not in a good enough city to get FA.
Love is GONE. If they play hardball with him, they'll have their hearts broken and be lucky to get a pick back in a sign and trade.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:47 pm to LSU Piston
I'd do that if i'm the Suns. Dragic, Bledsoe, Thomas, Morris twins, Monroe is a GREAT core moving forward.
The cap flexibility thing is something some teams shouldn't worry about so much. Atlanta had a ton of cap space and couldn't get anyone to take it. Phoenix would have that same issue. Both LA teams, NY teams, Miami, the Texas teams and any team with a superduper star should be the only teams worried about cap flexibility. All other teams should be about aquiring picks and good players by any means. The LeBron/Carmelo/CP3/Durant type players aren't going to sign in Phx unless a near championship core is in place. Your cap flexibility be damned.
The cap flexibility thing is something some teams shouldn't worry about so much. Atlanta had a ton of cap space and couldn't get anyone to take it. Phoenix would have that same issue. Both LA teams, NY teams, Miami, the Texas teams and any team with a superduper star should be the only teams worried about cap flexibility. All other teams should be about aquiring picks and good players by any means. The LeBron/Carmelo/CP3/Durant type players aren't going to sign in Phx unless a near championship core is in place. Your cap flexibility be damned.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:00 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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I agree, I'd go into a full-blown rebuild mode, and the awesome thing about that for them with this deal is that they will have claimed the gold medal of tanking before they even really fire up the tank.
Rubio isn't going to shoot you to victory.
Pek is probably gonna get double teamed.
Dieng can only improve from last year.
Lavine/Wiggins will progress and you can see where you stand with them.
Chances are, you'll win somewhere around 20 wins at most.
Pray to the lotto gods and land top 2 - rebuild with a decent squad thats all relatively young. Best hope, get rid of Rubio
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:26 pm to Sandkhan
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2. Even if they pull off this turnaround, I don't see Love resigning. Volhalla and I disagree on this. Minnesota is probably the least appealing NBA destination right now if you factor in the cold, it being farther away than any other NBA city, and the poor management. It's not hard to turn it around and convince Aldridge to stay in Portland. Portland is a cool city with decent management. Minnesota is freezing with an upper management shite show. If they pull off some crazy turnaround....and let's say go on some Angels in the Outfield tear and get the 3 seed. Advance to the 2nd round or even the conference finals(none of this is going to happen btw, they aren't that good)....that's their ceiling. Free agents will never join. So that leaves them in the old LeBron/Cleveland vaccuum of not good enough to win it all, not bad enough to improve, not in a good enough city to get FA.
1. We actually agree that Love isn't resigning, albeit for different reasons.
2. I don't understand why people think that the climate in Minnesota is in any way a significant factor in players signing with the Timberwolves. Salary, chance to win a championship, and endorsements are way more important than the annual snowfall. And how us Minneapolis "further away" than other cities? (I'm not not trying to be overly inquisitive, I'm genuinely curious why you think that. I used to live in the twin cities and it was a great place)
3. I agree with you that poor management is an issue in Minnesota. Free agents won't go there unless they are overpaid because it is a team that hasn't shown the ability to win since Garnett, Cassel, and Sprewell
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:43 pm to VOLhalla
Love wants to win. He wants to play in May and June. That won't happen in minny. Especially the way the west is stacked with solid and young teams
Flip is trying to save his own job, he knows love is gone but flip is trying to do what is best for himself.
If I am GM of Cleveland I wait. What good is your roster in July when you don't know what you have until camp? I see what Bennett and wiggins can do with LBJ before I make a big move.
GS already knows what they have and what they are missing. If they want to overpay for love in a trade then so be it. Cleveland is in a perfect position in the weaker east. Why rush?
Flip is trying to save his own job, he knows love is gone but flip is trying to do what is best for himself.
If I am GM of Cleveland I wait. What good is your roster in July when you don't know what you have until camp? I see what Bennett and wiggins can do with LBJ before I make a big move.
GS already knows what they have and what they are missing. If they want to overpay for love in a trade then so be it. Cleveland is in a perfect position in the weaker east. Why rush?
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