re: Most underrated lineup: 1997 Cleveland Indians

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Love me some good Indians talk!

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Yeah, you have to go to the old days to have fun with it,

That team had it all...speed at the top of the lineup, power, contact hitting, excellent fielding...oops, top of the rotation aces were missing.

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Yeah, you have to go to the old days to have fun with it,

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2007 was a good run too. Great home series win over the Yankees. Kenny Lofton had come back and had a great series. A billion bugs swarmed in from the lake and Joba was being eaten alive. Torre left him in and we came back and won that night. The idiot Lebron shows up in his Yankees hat and gets booed out of the Jake.

We crashed against the Sox though.

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2007

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As nice as it was...it's like the other years. It should have been more. Pissing away that series against Boston with Sabathia and Fausto getting rocked just ate at me. I frickin' hate the Sox.

Hows this for old? I saw opening series in '89 with Milwaukee...

1. Odibee McDowell cf
2. Jerry Browne 2b
3. Joe Carter lf
4. Cory Snyder rf
5. Pete O'Brien 1b
6. Dave Clark dh
7. Brook Jacoby 3b
8. Andy Allanson c
9. Felix Fermin ss

That was my first year of Indian fever as I kept up with every game. By July, Snyder, Clark, Allanson, and McDowell were not in the lineup. Enter Brad Komminsk, Joel Skinner, Beau Alred, and a guy named Joey Belle.

The '89 Indians lost Mel Hall, Pat Tabler, Carmen Castillo, Andre Thorton, and Brett Butler and tried to remodel themselves with newbies like McDowell and O'Brien (acquired from Rangers) and later bringing along a very YOUNG Joey Belle. Carter and Snyder were the meat of the team and the two bats that the Tribe hoped would bring them a pennant. Both had stellar '88 seasons, but '89 would be an average one for Carter and a poor one for Snyder. The best offensive player that year other than Carter was Jerry Browne who hit .299.

The rotation was the reason the Indians were at one time second place in the AL east in July. Greg Swindell, prior to a major arm injry, was 13-2 and dealing. Tom Candiotti provided a nice #2 start and a sub 4 ERA. Bud Black was dependable and usually available for 6 innnings. John Farrell would be good, but battled major shoulder issues and would often sit. Scott Bailes and Rich Yett would end up rotating in and out for that #5 spot. The bullepn was shaky other than Doug Jones - a solid closer. Nevertheless, injuries, too much youth, and vets who didn't work out hurt the '89 Indians...sending them to 6th place.

They were good that year, no doubt.



And the Expos were your 1994 NL East Champs. LOL at the Braves 14-year streak.

Had the 1994 season gone down, it would have been incredible. The Expos with Alou, Walker, Grissom, Pedro, and DeShields. The AL Central race was 1 game lead for ChiSox over Indians; Yankees would have ended their drought that season and likely been the favorite; Griffey, Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, and Mo Vaughn were each on their way to uncanny stats. Griffey might have broken the hr record that season if memory serves.

I was so pissed at MLB and Players Union for letting that strike happen. The replacement players were an awful idea - cancellation altogether should have been the decision for that first month. Oh well...my team destroyed the league the following year and the ChiSox were nowhere to be found. Still, a '94 playoff with NYY vs. Cleveland and ChiSox vs. Rangers would have been damn strong. That's how it would have went down.

best singles hitter EVA

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i think wil cordero was their 2B who actually made hte AS team that year

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Lansing... Will Cordero was a SS I thought

Wil Cordero...there's a name I haven't heard in a while. Didn't he beat his wife a couple of times or something?