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re: Most underrated lineup: 1997 Cleveland Indians
Posted on 2/22/11 at 12:28 pm to PiscesTiger
Posted on 2/22/11 at 12:28 pm to PiscesTiger
99 Indians
Richie Sexson
Manny Ramirez
Kenny Lofton
David Justice
Omar Vizquel
Roberto Alomar
Jim Thome
scored 1009 runs ~6.5/g
Richie Sexson
Manny Ramirez
Kenny Lofton
David Justice
Omar Vizquel
Roberto Alomar
Jim Thome
scored 1009 runs ~6.5/g
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Posted on 2/22/11 at 12:36 pm to barry
Truth on '99 sqaud. They were SICK and were beating teams 12-5 and 10-2 on a regular basis. The first 4 hitters batted .300 and 2-6 hit 20 or more homers. Next to '95, they're the all time best Indians club. That 2001 team was good, too.
If the '95 or '97 or '99 Indians had the 1954 pitching staff of three 20 game winners in Lemon, Wynn, Mike Garcia, as well as Feller and then the 5th starter Art Houtteman...as well as the bullpen of Narleski and Mossy...they may have gone 140-22 on the regular season.
If the '95 or '97 or '99 Indians had the 1954 pitching staff of three 20 game winners in Lemon, Wynn, Mike Garcia, as well as Feller and then the 5th starter Art Houtteman...as well as the bullpen of Narleski and Mossy...they may have gone 140-22 on the regular season.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 12:39 pm to barry
All of those Indians lineups were killer.
But they, much like the Rangers of the 90's, couldn't get it done on the hill.
Cleveland's offense was at least potent enough to get them to the Series a couple of times.
I don't know why the mention of the 97' team though. The Indians had a better squad in 96' and 98'...and of course 95'. The team got hot in the postseason in 97', and somehow got by Baltimore.
The Tony Fernandez extra inning bomb was clutch against the O's. Baltimore had 10 hits but couldn't push a run across, and I believe the Fernandez homer was the Tribe's 3rd hit of the game maybe?
The 2001 M's intrigued me because it was after they unloaded the high price talent. That team kept winning, and even had solid showings the next couple years despite missing the postseason. It's a wonder they never even made it to the Fall Classic.
But they, much like the Rangers of the 90's, couldn't get it done on the hill.
Cleveland's offense was at least potent enough to get them to the Series a couple of times.
I don't know why the mention of the 97' team though. The Indians had a better squad in 96' and 98'...and of course 95'. The team got hot in the postseason in 97', and somehow got by Baltimore.
The Tony Fernandez extra inning bomb was clutch against the O's. Baltimore had 10 hits but couldn't push a run across, and I believe the Fernandez homer was the Tribe's 3rd hit of the game maybe?
The 2001 M's intrigued me because it was after they unloaded the high price talent. That team kept winning, and even had solid showings the next couple years despite missing the postseason. It's a wonder they never even made it to the Fall Classic.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 12:41 pm to PiscesTiger
The meltdown in 1999 hurts a little too, I guess it made 2007 that much worse as well. frick the Sawx.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 12:41 pm to barry
Go Yanks
Posted on 2/22/11 at 1:25 pm to tduecen
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Go Yanks
Dynamite drop in Monty.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 1:27 pm to TexasTiger08
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I don't know why the mention of the 97' team though. The Indians had a better squad in 96' and 98'...and of course 95'. The team got hot in the postseason in 97', and somehow got by Baltimore.
Because, I don't believe the Indians did have a better lineup in 96 or 98 or 99. Everybody feels the 97 Indians didn't belong. Did they underachieve? Yes. But the talent was all there. I don't believe Baltimore's lineup was any better.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 2:23 pm to bomber77
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lf-belle
cf-lofton
rf-manny
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One of the best outfields ever.
of the 90s maybe
Posted on 2/22/11 at 2:56 pm to Moustache
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Did they underachieve? Yes.
okay...
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But the talent was all there.
So you are trying to tell me that the talent alone makes a great lineup and not the production?
Posted on 2/22/11 at 3:10 pm to Lester Earl
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of the 90s maybe
common man...i cant think of a better of in my generation...im talking about offensive production, obv...
Posted on 2/22/11 at 3:12 pm to PiscesTiger
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Winnfield, off the top and not looking at stats, may have had, in 144 games, about 150 AB's? Murray was mostly the dh and when he wasn't, it was likely Sorrento who sat the bench on that night. Later in the season, guys like Herbert Perry and Alvaro Espinoza played more than Winnfield. I'll never forget his Memorial Day blast off ChiSox that season.
for sure..i just typed out that lineup off memory..somehow i forgot tom sention alomar jr, and i kinda included murray and winfield in there on purpose...just out of respect for how awesome they were in the best years..
just checked the 2005 stats...pena had 263ab's while alomar jr had 203..alomar was a much better hitter, though...
This post was edited on 2/22/11 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 2/22/11 at 3:22 pm to chowds4
hell, the 99 indians lineup was filthy
c- meh
1b- thome( 33hr)
2b- robby alomar(24hr 37sb)
ss- vizquel
3b- fryman
lf- justice(21 hr)
cf- lofton
lf- manny(.333 44hr 165rbi 131r) wow!
dh- sexon(31 hrs)
c- meh
1b- thome( 33hr)
2b- robby alomar(24hr 37sb)
ss- vizquel
3b- fryman
lf- justice(21 hr)
cf- lofton
lf- manny(.333 44hr 165rbi 131r) wow!
dh- sexon(31 hrs)
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:29 pm to chowds4
1994 Expos 
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:30 pm to tduecen
Expos/Yanks was going to be an epic Series.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:34 pm to BayouBengals03
Mattingly would have gotten his ring and secured his place in the hall of fame
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:41 pm to tduecen
Yanks would have totes put Jeter on the playoff roster and he would have 6 rings already, IMO.
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:46 pm to BayouBengals03
That 94 team was stacked...
Wade Boggs
Danny Tartabull
Bernie Williams
Paul Oneil
Luis Polonia
Mike Stanley
Mike Gallego
Pat Kelly
Matt Nokes
Gerald Williams
Jim Leyritz
Randy Velarde
Kevin Elster
Then pitching you had
Jimmy Key
Jim Abbot (1 hand and all)
Scott Kamieniecki
Steve Howe
Melido Perez
Terry Mulholland
Sterling Hitchcock
Bob Wickman
Bob Ojeda
Wade Boggs
Danny Tartabull
Bernie Williams
Paul Oneil
Luis Polonia
Mike Stanley
Mike Gallego
Pat Kelly
Matt Nokes
Gerald Williams
Jim Leyritz
Randy Velarde
Kevin Elster
Then pitching you had
Jimmy Key
Jim Abbot (1 hand and all)
Scott Kamieniecki
Steve Howe
Melido Perez
Terry Mulholland
Sterling Hitchcock
Bob Wickman
Bob Ojeda
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:47 pm to chowds4
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common man...i cant think of a better of in my generation...im talking about offensive production, obv...
are you an Indian fan?
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:50 pm to chowds4
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hell, the 99 indians lineup was filthy
Love me some good Indians talk!
1999
Thome 33 HR, 108 RBI, 101 Runs, 277 ave
R. Alomar 24 HR, 120 RBI, 138 Runs, 323 ave
Omar Vizquel, Best SS in the game, 112 Runs, 333 ave
Justice 21 HR, 88 RBI, 287 ave
Lofton 110 Runs, 301 ave
Manny 44 HR, 165 RBI, 333 ave
S. Alomar 307 ave
Sexson 31 HR, 116 RBI
Diaz, 281 ave
Cordero, 299 ave
Fryman, 255 ave
Jacobs Field = Sellout for every game!!
Posted on 2/22/11 at 4:52 pm to bomber77
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