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re: MNF: Bears vs. Steelers
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:01 pm to WaterLink
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:01 pm to WaterLink
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There was a better chance of making that FG than converting a Hail Mary, you can't dog him for that call
It was 65 yards. How many 65 yard FGs have been made in NFL history? Particularly by a kicker with a long of 55 yards?
ETA: Don’t bother answering the first question by the way. I already know the answer.
It’s 1.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:03 pm
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
Yeah they traded it to move up for Fields. But if Fields hits, it’s obviously worth it. Would much rather have Fields right now vs Daniel Jones ha. Bears just need to get their next HC right when Nagy inevitably gets fired
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:29 pm to RB10
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It was 65 yards. How many 65 yard FGs have been made in NFL history? Particularly by a kicker with a long of 55 yards?
ETA: Don’t bother answering the first question by the way. I already know the answer.
It’s 1.
I don't know. What is the percentage of 60+ yard walkoff kicks compared to the percentage of walkoff 50+ yard hail marys? Got the data? Out of the number of attempts I wouldn't be surprised if the FG% is higher. Just saying. At the end of the day both options are prayers so we're splitting hairs between whether a hail mary or an our father is the better option.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:32 pm to WaterLink
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I don't know. What is the percentage of 60+ yard walkoff kicks compared to the percentage of walkoff 50+ yard hail marys? Got the data?
Why is the threshold 60+? It was, literally, the 2nd longest kick in NFL history. In what is, literally, the toughest stadium to kick in.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that there have been more 50+ yard Hail Marys then there have been 65+ yard kicks.
So, no. By the numbers what Nagy tried was not the right call in any way, shape or form.
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Out of the number of attempts I wouldn't be surprised if the FG% is higher.
So trying the unmakeable FG is smarter because only a handful of coaches were dumb enough to try it in the first place?
Ok then.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:33 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Per pool report, ref Tony Corrente on taunting call against Cassius Marsh: 'Keep in mind taunting is a point of emphasis this year. I saw the player, after he made a big play, run toward the bench area of the Pittsburgh Steelers and posture in a way I felt was taunting them.'
He postured in a menacing way!
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:36 pm to RB10
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It was, literally, the 2nd longest kick in NFL history.
66 is the longest made, it was not the longest attempted so I'm going to stop you right there because I don't think we are looking at this from the same perspective. Yes there have been more converted hail marys from that distance, but there have also been far more attempted hail marys than FGs from that distance. If you take the attempts and conversions for each category it probably comes out to around roughly the same.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:40 pm to WaterLink
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66 is the longest made, it was not the longest attempted so I'm going to stop you right there because I don't think we are looking at this from the same perspective.
So he had his kicker, with a career long of 55 yards, attempt a kick that only one player in the history of the sport has been successful on. On top of that he chose to attempt it in the toughest stadium to kick in in the league.
Yeah man. Totally the right call.
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Yes there have been more converted hail marys from that distance, but there have also been far more attempted hail marys than FGs from that distance.
Maybe because attempting kicks from that distance is, tactically, fricking stupid?
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:43 pm to RB10
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So he had his kicker, with a career long of 55 yards, attempt a kick that only one player in the history of the sport has been successful on.
When Tucker kicked 66 literally no one had been successful from that distance before then either. You throw a prayer to the endzone or try to kick one, it's a prayer either way man.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:45 pm to WaterLink
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When Tucker kicked 66 literally no one had been successful from that distance before then either. You throw a prayer to the endzone or try to kick one, it's a prayer either way man.
Was Tucker’s career long 55 yards?
One has a chance of success, no matter how small. The other is literally impossible. I think we know which one was literally impossible seeing that we watched it come up 8 yards short.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:48 pm to RB10
It doesn't matter, if your kicker can make them in practice why not take that chance? You'd rather Justin Fields throw into a crowd of people in the endzone? I'd rather just see if your kicker can get all of it and try to push it in. Your kicker can only have career longs if you let him attempt longer anyway, that's a dumb point to bring up. It'd be more relevant if it came out that he couldn't even make such kicks in practice but obviously he could push it with the leg so they tried to give it a go. It didn't work out. It was a long shot anyway and would have been a prayer regardless of what he chose, the FG or hail mary, I can't crucify him for that. Now other playcalls I can, but just not this particular call.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:50 pm to WaterLink
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It doesn't matter, if your kicker can make them in practice why not take that chance? You'd rather Justin Fields throw into a crowd of people in the endzone? I'd rather just see if your kicker can get all of it and try to push it in.
So we’ve gone from the FG being a “better chance” to this? We see 1 or 2 Hail Marys every year. We’ve seen 1 65 yard field goal ever.
I think we’re done here.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:53 pm to RB10
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So we’ve gone from the FG being a “better chance” to this? We see 1 or 2 Hail Marys every year. We’ve seen 1 65 yard field goal ever.
Again, how many times are 60+ hail marys ATTEMPTED to how many 60+ FGs ATTEMPTED. And then what is the conversion rate between the two. Please post them since you're so convinced man, I'm begging you.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:54 pm to WaterLink
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Again, how many times are 60+ hail marys ATTEMPTED to how many 60+ FGs ATTEMPTED. And then what is the conversion rate between the two. Please post them since you're so convinced man, I'm begging you.
Why is it a 60+ yard Hail Mary? Do you understand how any of this works?
Just for reference, here’s a Hail Mary from the same distance…….from this year:
Oops
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:57 pm to RB10
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Why is it a 60+ yard Hail Mary? Do you understand how any of this works?
Generally an end of half/game desperation heave, just like no one would attempt a 60+ yard FG in the middle of the 1st or 3rd quarter that really only comes about in end of half situations.
Post the stats.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:58 pm to WaterLink
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Generally an end of half/game desperation heave, just like no one would attempt a 60+ yard FG in the middle of the 1st or 3rd quarter that really only comes about in end of half situations.
Post the stats.
I just posted one from this season.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:58 pm to RB10
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Just for reference, here’s a Hail Mary from the same distance…….from this year:
That's one conversion. Now how many, once again, ATTEMPTS, have there been? You seem to really be dodging that aspect of this argument
I can post Justin Tucker's 66 yd FG to combat that if I wanted. Because that's also "from this one season"
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 12:00 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 12:00 am to WaterLink
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That's one conversion. Now how many, once again, ATTEMPTS, have there been? You seem to really be dodging that aspect of this argument
Because it’s irrelevant. The kick was physically impossible. The Hail Mary was not.
End of discussion.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 12:01 am to RB10
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Because it’s irrelevant. The kick was physically impossible. The Hail Mary was not.
But it was not physically impossible. A longer FG was made "this one season" as you so happily posted in your last post.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 12:05 am to WaterLink
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But it was not physically impossible. A longer FG was made "this one season" as you so happily posted in your last post.
By Justin Tucker. Widely considered one of the best kickers of all time. Is Cairo Santos in that discussion?
Multiple Hail Marys from One Season
I’ll wait patiently for your link to multiple successful 65 yard field goals.
Take your L and go away. Your dumbass comment has been thoroughly debunked.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 12:07 am
Posted on 11/9/21 at 12:06 am to RB10
Making a 55+ yard FG at Heinz Field is nearly impossible. 65? lol
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