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re: MLS owners predict league will surpass MLB
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:13 am to Boo Krewe
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:13 am to Boo Krewe
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high school soccer needs to be shown more.
Actually men's college soccer. Needs to be a thing
Is not even real soccer is played with completely different rules
College soccer at this is actually detrimental to the system now
It’s full of non Americans
The rules on practice and amount of matches during the season as offseason stunt player growth
When compared to their counter parts in other countries who become full on professionals at 16 when all the do is soccer.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 12:19 am
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Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:29 am to TexasTiger08
quote:hockey has a ceiling until they figure out how to make ice around here
you want a growing sport, look at hockey. You have top draft picks coming from Arizona, Vegas, California, etc.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:45 am to Robin Masters
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College football is inferior to NFL but it still remains very popular. I don’t think it matters as much as you might think.
College football players don’t really have any other option
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:50 am to 1BIGFandyPackler
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played by squares
False
Posted on 2/27/20 at 5:56 am to TexasTiger08
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Then the ‘94 World Cup hosted in the US was gonna launch things. It did...briefly.
It did help launch MLS in 1996.
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The success of the USMNT in ‘02 didn’t do a whole lot.
I don't know how much of an impact 2002 had, but MLS started its expansion in 2005, going from 10 teams to 12, and teams were added every year but 2006 until they got to 19 in 2012.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 6:07 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Well it is once they reach a certain age
The vast majority of our good young players have received their professional debut for their European teams within 1 year of moving to Europe. How can you say they didn't get most of their development here? Pulisic, McKennie, Reyna, and Sargent almost got their debut within a year. Adams was an immediate starter when he went to Europe. The vast majority of our U20 WC team was either with MLS teams or had just moved to Eurppe.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 6:35 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The franchise model won’t let them take the training wheels off.
...and yet, they've slowly started to take the training wheels off. They've introduced Designated Players, team payrolls are on the rise, they've raised the limit on the number of international players each team is allowed, and teams have started investing in facilities and youth development. Most of this has happened in the last 15 years. There are other steps they can take, if/when they choose.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 6:45 am to RLDSC FAN
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Major League Soccer will surpass Major League Baseball in popularity during the next 10 years
Probably
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it will be of higher quality than the Premier League and La Liga by 2045.
Doubtful
Posted on 2/27/20 at 6:51 am to RLDSC FAN
Can somebody compare XFL to MLS for me? I'm too lazy.
My prediction is a 3rd tier American football league (behind NFL and CFB) is more popular and profitable than MLS.
My prediction is a 3rd tier American football league (behind NFL and CFB) is more popular and profitable than MLS.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 7:05 am to Gator Mike
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and yet, they've slowly started to take the training wheels off. They've introduced Designated Players, team payrolls are on the rise, they've raised the limit on the number of international players each team is allowed, and teams have started investing in facilities and youth development. Most of this has happened in the last 15 years. There are other steps they can take, if/when they choose
Sorry but those are not taking the training wheels off
The franchise model and salary caps just don’t work in big time soccer. If MLS was the best league in the world like the NBA, NFL etc then they could do what ever they want. But it isn’t and it will always be behind the 8 ball
The DP should be not even a thing and owners should be allowed to spend what ever they want if they really want to make it a major competitor in soccer. International player limits are again stupid and honestly if they were serious about youth development they make a rule you need to have x amount of home grown players in your match day squad.
Things like the salary cap will always hold the league back, you bring up wages are up, but that’s only for some. Some plays make what guys in the third division in England make. 2/3 of teams don’t even make a profit and once the franchise fees dry up which are distributed as revenue to the other owners. MLS will have to depends on it’s terrible tv deals.
That and the league is entirely to big for a first division especially one that lacks in talent, especially home grown talent.
And of course the lack of promotion and relegation is a huge issue. It lets teams mail it in with no penalty or let’s owners field non competitive teams with no consequences and they still get their revenue share .
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 7:15 am
Posted on 2/27/20 at 7:27 am to StraightCashHomey21
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International player limits are again stupid
Several European leagues have an international player limit. And the international player limit isn't even that big of a deal in MLS because players that get a green card count as domestic players.
quote:The expansion fees aren't even enough to pay for one season of player wages for most teams. It only comes out to about ~$12m/team.
once the franchise fees dry up which are distributed as revenue to the other owners. MLS will have to depends on it’s terrible tv deals.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 7:28 am
Posted on 2/27/20 at 7:45 am to pvilleguru
Here comes the MLS white knight 
Those international player limits in some leagues are done to protect their national team bc those leagues are the primary source for national team players and they domestically produce good players. MLS is neither of those things
That 12 million dollars sure covers a lot if a team losses money and then it gets them back in the black
O let’s not forget the absurd player movement restrictions bc the clubs don’t even own their players the league does.
Those international player limits in some leagues are done to protect their national team bc those leagues are the primary source for national team players and they domestically produce good players. MLS is neither of those things
That 12 million dollars sure covers a lot if a team losses money and then it gets them back in the black
O let’s not forget the absurd player movement restrictions bc the clubs don’t even own their players the league does.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 2/27/20 at 7:48 am to Dawgwithnoname
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My prediction is a 3rd tier American football league (behind NFL and CFB) is more popular and profitable than MLS.
QFT
Posted on 2/27/20 at 7:54 am to RLDSC FAN
Have you seen the player contracts
No way this shite flys in the US with those numbers.
Manchester United Salary 204 million
Patriots 2020 Salary 166 million
No way this shite flys in the US with those numbers.
Manchester United Salary 204 million
Patriots 2020 Salary 166 million
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 7:58 am
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:17 am to StraightCashHomey21
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That 12 million dollars sure covers a lot if a team looses money and then it gets them back in the black
It doesn't help that much when they are getting a smaller slice of the pie in the future. It's just someone buying a share of the company.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:24 am to Bench McElroy
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The WNBA is considered a joke by most people and their ratings are 40% higher than average ratings for MLS matches.
I would want to see something to support that, and average attendance is easily light years better for MLS.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:25 am to pvilleguru
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It doesn't help that much when they are getting a smaller slice of the pie in the future. It's just someone buying a share of the company.
um why do you think the franchise fees keep going up
MLS is going to have a tough time once those are gone. Most teams don't generate enough revenue on match days and its tv deal is awful.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:37 am to WestCoastAg
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I ask you again, how many people outside of England and Spain do you think are regularly spending money on those leagues?
They are making tons of money in Asia. The big clubs have huge fan bases in the rich Middle East countries, and the Chinese tourists are always at matches. Not saying that they are the top spenders by a long shot, but the clubs are getting significant money from them.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:42 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The DP should be not even a thing and owners should be allowed to spend what ever they want if they really want to make it a major competitor in soccer.
+1
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The franchise model and salary caps just don’t work in big time soccer. If MLS was the best league in the world like the NBA, NFL etc then they could do what ever they want. But it isn’t and it will always be behind the 8 ball
I agree but until pro/rel comes into play, I don't see how you convince the owners to take away the salary cap. It's not like these teams are 100+ year old clubs that formed organically, they are "investments" for the owners. If there is no incentive to be competitive why will they go out and spend big. I fully support pro/rel and eliminating the cap, but it's going to be an uphill battle to convince American owners to do it when literally no other sport in America does.
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International player limits are again stupid and honestly if they were serious about youth development they make a rule you need to have x amount of home grown players in your match day squad.
Doesn't the Russian league have a rule that there has to be so many Russians on the field at one time? Until there are real academies nation wide, I would support having a certain number of Americans required in your 18 to force teams to spend domestically and/or get serious in youth development. The Generation Adidas and contrived homegrown player exceptions are putting a band aid on what needs stitches.
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