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re: Mike Postle "Cheating Allegations" in Poker

Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:07 am to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:07 am to
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when you see him actually play, though, you combine this with impossible winrates and see he's doing it by playing like 92s or 45o all the time.
My favorite is him having J10 on a 932 board.

He calls a $20 bet on the flop. Turn card shows a Jack. Opponents bets $50, Postle folds.


Low and behold, his opponent had a set of 9s.

But yea, he called the flop with crap but it was only $20, hit the best possible card on the turn, then folds...too funny.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:11 am to
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he has something like 245 winning sessions out of 247. it's super high and a good player's win rate is 55-60% of sessions
There's a subreddit, I think it's called GodofPoker, lots of good stuff there.

My favorite is the guy who spliced into 1 video essentially every time Postle was on camera.

I may not be exact but he basically played 7 sessions over 6 months with moderate success. In each session, his phone was ALWAYS on the table or in his hand...always.

Then at one very specific moment, he places his phone on the chair between his legs and from that point on, his phone is ALWAYS in that position. And magically, from that point on, he went into God Mode.

You can see his phone clearly between his legs due to his seat position the first time he did it. Seems he learned the camera angles and moved positions to where you could no longer see his phone but he's obviously looking down into it during every single hand.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:13 am to
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I keep hearing about this, but i've yet to see someone explain how they think he's cheating.

Whatever it is, it's on his phone.

Whether he has a feed to the RFID, or someone on the inside texting him in code what to do, I don't know.

But I'd bet my life savings he's getting info on his phone, that's really not even up for debate I think.
Posted by Oddibe
Close to some, further from others
Member since Sep 2015
6707 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:42 am to
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I don't know anything about poker, compare this to a feat in another sport. Would it be like rushing for 900 yards in a game or something?
More like a running back rushing for over 200 yards per game....for 3 straight seasons...….in the NFL.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
11441 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:02 am to
Saw the SVP clip last week. First I’ve heard about it. But like SVP said, if this guy is truly that good and isn’t cheating, why wouldn’t he go to Vegas and win millions?
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8658 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:06 am to
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But like SVP said, if this guy is truly that good and isn’t cheating, why wouldn’t he go to Vegas and win millions?


He clearly can soul-read every player at Stones, and only at Stones
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452011 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:07 am to
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LOL stop

He's cheating, there is literally no scenario where he is not cheating.

that was a joke that went over your head

"everything conveys information" is a meme in the poker community mocking Daniel Negranu

LINK
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28703 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:37 am to
Well if he is able to cheat via his phone, I don’t care. Seems pretty stupid to let them have phones at the table.

I understand he could have a portable rfid reader, but how is he reading it? I doubt he’s looking at it in plain site, and if he had earbuds in so someone can relay stuff to him, then once again, I don’t care b/c that’s not something that should be allowed at the table.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:39 am to
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and if he had earbuds in so someone can relay stuff to him, then once again, I don’t care b/c that’s not something that should be allowed at the table.

wait you think that headphones shouldn't be allowed at the table?
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:51 am to
What will be done when its proven beyond doubt?
Posted by ATLsuTiger
Johns Creek
Member since Aug 2009
5604 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:58 am to
The smoking gun:

YouTube
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28703 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:14 pm to
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wait you think that headphones shouldn't be allowed at the table?



Sure, if you don't care if people use them to cheat.

They don't allow anyone other than the qb and the MLB to have "headphones". And they don't allow phones on the sidelines. You'd think the rules on this when playing poker would be even more stringent, but i guess they don't care if people cheat.
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:37 pm to
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He's gonna be shunned by the community as his best case scenario.

He may be sued or prosecuted criminally


The poker community is the one of the few that knows how to deal with cheaters the right way..
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88695 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:52 pm to
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In each session, his phone was ALWAYS on the table or in his hand...always.

Then at one very specific moment, he places his phone on the chair between his legs and from that point on, his phone is ALWAYS in that position. And magically, from that point on, he went into God Mode.


how in the everloving frick are cell phones allowed at the table?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452011 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:19 pm to
i've played at a lot of places and the typical rules are (1) if you're in a hand, you can't actively be on the phone and (2) it can't be ON the table. rail is fine. table is not (that's for the bad beat. you're not supposed to put ANYTHING, including racks, on the table and if you have a game removed from the BBJP you'll see shite all over the place)
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88695 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:22 pm to
like I said earlier I'm not a poker person so this is foreign to me but it blows my mind that ANYTHING that can be used to transmit information or communication, be it a cell phone, smart watch, ear phones, google glasses, whatever the frick else you can think of...would be allowed in the vicinity during play.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452011 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:26 pm to
if you're not allowed to use the phone, it can't transmit information. the allegations against Postle are that he's hiding a 2nd phone in his lap. the show he's on actually ended up banning phones after the allegations, and this a mysterious key fob showed up

as for headphones, i suppose you could get a 2-man operation where one tells the other his cards, but (a) transmitting that without being seen would be tough and (b) this wouldn't really help your EV that much. this would be much more helpful online, where you get more hands and the edges are smaller.
Posted by corneredbeast
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:32 pm to
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The poker community is the one of the few that knows how to deal with cheaters the right way..


Yeah, they make hundreds of long-assed YouTube videos and boring Reddit threads. What a ruthless bunch of hard asses!
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28703 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:37 pm to
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if you're not allowed to use the phone, it can't transmit information


There is no reason your phone should be anywhere near you during play. Not in your pocket, not on the table. It should go in a basket when you walk in, and if you want to go use it, you need to leave the table, and it can't be while you have cards in your hand.
that seems like a pretty common sense rule when it comes to playing poker for big money.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24392 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:43 pm to
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suppose you could get a 2-man operation where one tells the other his cards, but (a) transmitting that without being seen would be tough


Veronica, the former Stones caster and whistleblower, did a breakdown of the Stones poker room and said that from where the producer Jason(I believe that's the accused 2nd guy's name) would be, no one would be able to see him because it's walled off from the rest of the room.
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