re: Mike Brown is one of the most underrated coaches

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Since 2000, the Pac-10 has the best winning percentage against OOC BCS teams, OOC Top-10 teams, and OOC BCS teams with 10 win seasons, and a 10-7 record against the SEC over that period.

HORRIBLE CONFERENCE!

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Pac10 is underrated, but they are not consistent at all outside of USC really.

awesome how this turned into a Jim Tressel thread.

Ahhhh haha. This thread is funny.

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its either the talent or the coaching for the reason ohio state has gotten debacled. which is it big cat?

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Pretty obvious its a bit of both. You cannot convince me that OSU talent is on par with USC, Florida, Texas, LSU, etc. Sure OSU has some great players, but the difference is the depth that those teams have. Not to mention the line play they all get. Of course OSU has good skill position players, but not even in the same area code in line play (primarily defensive).

As for coaching, the biggest fault of tressel imo is predictable play calling...and I'm not sure if that's because he wasn't confident in who was leading the team or not. As easy as it is to cite how boring his games are, Troy Smith did some fricking great things only 2 years ago - people forget so quickly that he produced a heisman winner.

And as I originally stated, throw all of his short comings together with his strengths and there is absolutely nobody else I'd rather have coaching my alma mater. Now if the 41-14 losses become routine then I may change my tune, but for now I see it as a rough 2 year stretch, and for now thats all it is. I'm really excited about this coming season so we'll see where things stand in the fall.

it is indeed a little of both. however, i am tending to side with the coaching portion (as you can tell).

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I think its obvious that if you subbed a different coach into the situation the ultimate result would still be the same

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i disagree totally. meyer or carroll never lose games by 30 with a month of preparation. tressell is a good coach, but he still leaves much to be desired on the national level. there are only 4 or 5 great coaches, and jt is not one of them. you dont lose 3 huge games in 3 years by nearly a 30 pt avg. and get this title.

however might i add, i still believe tressell should be the head coach, but give up the offensive play calliing responsibilities. also, as i already have stated, some of his staff needs to go. which is another jtressel issue as far as im concerned.

I can't think of 5 coaches I'd rather have than Tressel.

That said, I don't think he is a top 5 coach when it comes to "coaching" (i.e. preparation, x's and o's, strategy, etc), but his recruiting ability, class/how he represents the school, city and state, and the respect his players have for him put him in that category for me.

I agree with you rocket, that we have underacheived recently in big games, due to the talent we have, however, Tressel still has to GET that talent. IMO, recruiting is 50% of the game, and he is EASILY a top 5 recruiter. And I think he generally has the right players on the field.

Of course he has some flaws. Too conservative, often (though, he broke away from that a little with Troy and I'm hoping he does so again with TP, especially after seeing/hearing how he's progressed this offseason). And he can be loyal to a fault with coaches (no reason for Jim Bollman to still have a job), but overall, I'm glad he's our coach.

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we will have to start a big ten discussion here someday soon (in a separate thread )

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Guaranteed flop. Much better when we hijack any thread relevant to ohio sports.