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re: Mike Brown is one of the most underrated coaches

Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:01 am to
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:01 am to
Toter Magoter on the opposite side of an argument again. Shocker.

and yeah Carl I was just thinking last night how far Mike Brown has come. People just assume having the best player on your team makes it easier when if fact I think it takes more to not only keep a team solidified around that fact but to get the best out of that player. Phil was always great at this as well although he couldn't really handle Big Head Kobe at first.

Mike Brown is gonna get mentioned with the great ones in the next 10 years or so. It's admirable how he recognizes his weakness and admits them, and finds a way to get better.
Posted by charlottetiger
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:09 am to
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Please. A team with Lebron on it can coach itself. If you think Mike Brown is behind their success you're nuts


So Phil Jackson gets no credit for the run the Bulls had in the 90's? I mean after all, he had the best NBA player ever on that team so the team could basically coach itself.
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:12 am to
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So Phil Jackson gets no credit for the run the Bulls had in the 90's? I mean after all, he had the best NBA player ever on that team so the team could basically coach itself.


I have no idea why people always assume it's so easy to coach a superstar.

If Lebron didn't buy into Mike Brown, it would all be over tomorrow. Not just anyone can coach the best talent in this league.
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 8:38 am to
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But he got beat in the BCSCG 2 years in a row!!!!


he didnt just get beat, he was totally embarrassed and out-coached. his team didnt even deserve to be on the same field as fl and lsu. total debacle.

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-Typical Moron


ironic, sticking up for a coach for being successful in the big ten. yall do realize how shitty the big ten conference is and how ohio state plays a primarilly big ten/mac schedule.

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Totally overlook the fact that he MADE it twice and had his team play Texas damn close in a game they were expected to get blown out in.


he made it twice by default, give 5 teams from the sec the buckeyes schedule those seasons and they make it to the title game as well.

giving a coach accolades for consistently winning the big ten is downright stupid, especially if that same coach has become notorious for shitting himself in marquee football games (usc, florida, lsu, texas, etc)
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 8:40 am to
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I'd much rather have the chance to play for it


so he is top 3 coach to you, because of his success in the big ten? lolz.
Posted by SprintFun
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 8:56 am to
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giving a coach accolades for consistently winning the big ten is downright stupid, especially if that same coach has become notorious for shitting himself in marquee football games (usc, florida, lsu, texas, etc)


He sure shite the bed against Miami, which many say was one of the greatest CFB teams ever put on a field, didn't he?

There isn't any other coach in the country I'd rather have over Tress. What he does on the field combined with how he handles himself and his team off the field make him the best coach in my book. You can hate all you want, but we all know you'd take him in a heartbeat at that pile of turds you root for.
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:01 am to
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There isn't any other coach in the country I'd rather have over Tress. What he does on the field combined with how he handles himself and his team off the field make him the best coach in my book. You can hate all you want, but we all know you'd take him in a heartbeat at that pile of turds you root for.



I like JT a lot. He's all class....I'd really have to sit down and think about who'd I'd rather have coaching my team but he's top 5 easily, probably 3.
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:08 am to
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What he does on the field combined with how he handles himself and his team off the field make him the best coach in my book. You can hate all you want, but we all know you'd take him in a heartbeat at that pile of turds you root for.


his character off the field is admirable, i have never questioned JTs dignity. i have met the man in person several times and i have always been impressed. he also is a tremendous recruiter, there is no denying that.

however, to call him a "top 3 football coach" is stupid. how many national embarrassments has he had the last 5 years? top coaches never instruct embarrassing performances on the field, and tressell has managed to go 3 for 3, the last 3 seasons against his teams best opponent. they have lost by an average of 30 POINTS A GAME... top 3 coach? please.

he will win you the sluggish big ten games because of ohio states superior talent, in comparisons to the rest of the conference. and if that is all you want, great. he is your guy.

i would never want him. doesnt use talent correctly, he is too loyal to senior players, too loyal to coaches that need to be let go, offensive is too stagnant, predictable play calling, etc.

i could go and on, the jt bandwagon has been slowly deterioting the last two years and will not take long for it to be completely empty at this rate.

Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:11 am to
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I'd really have to sit down and think about who'd I'd rather have coaching my team but he's top 5 easily, probably 3.


i could name 5 coaches that are better just in the sec.

1. meyer
2. miles
3. saban
4. spurrier
5. richt

give those guys jim tressel roster talent and place them in jim tressels big ten schedule and they all have superior records.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 9:12 am
Posted by SprintFun
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:31 am to
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however, to call him a "top 3 football coach" is stupid. how many national embarrassments has he had the last 5 years? top coaches never instruct embarrassing performances on the field, and tressell has managed to go 3 for 3, the last 3 seasons against his teams best opponent. they have lost by an average of 30 POINTS A GAME... top 3 coach? please.


Please tell me what coach could have beaten Florida in 06 with the Buckeye's team. What coach could have beaten USC with last year's Buckeye team? I really don't think another coach would have beaten LSU with the Buckeye team either. You can't just say "Give team X team Y's schedule and they'd win lol"....put whatever coach you want on the BUCKEYE TEAM THAT LOST and would the result have been different? I don't think so! The only change may have been the Texas bowl game.

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he is too loyal to senior players


Terelle Pryor agrees with this.
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:44 am to
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Please tell me what coach could have beaten Florida in 06 with the Buckeye's team. What coach could have beaten USC with last year's Buckeye team?


its not all about winning games sprint. i am talking about at least putting together a competitive game plan and strategy to combat your opponent.

ohio state has failed to compete. failed to even compete for a half. simply, ohio state and the city of columbus have both been embarrassed, miserly.

as you can recall from just this past years nfl draft, the buckeye talent is there, but it is not being utilized properly. that blame falls on the coaches for not being adequetly prepared.

...and if you do not think that jt is unnecessary loyal to certain players (wrs, olinemen) then there is no reason to even waste my time anymore. even the biggest buckeye homers in the state of ohio admit tressels loyalty scheme needs a revision.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 9:46 am
Posted by LSUHornets
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:50 am to
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Didn't he just win coach of the year? What other recognition can he get?


so i guess Byron Scott is a top 5-10 coach in the league too.
Posted by ike221
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:56 am to
I think Mike Brown is as clueless as they come

I think the credit goes to Clevelands GM and a pretty good player named Lebron James
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:57 am to
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its not all about winning games sprint. i am talking about at least putting together a competitive game plan and strategy to combat your opponent.


So is OU being remembered for playing competitively with teams like Boise St and Florida this last year or for losing the games?

And if what you're saying is true shouldn't he get props for the Texas game this past year where we were pretty overmatched and nearly won the game? But alas you put Texas as one of the terrible loses OSU has suffered. Please find some consistency in your arguments and come back.

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and if you do not think that jt is unnecessary loyal to certain players (wrs, olinemen) then there is no reason to even waste my time anymore.


He is extremely loyal, and it can be a negative, but I don't think its to a point where it costs the team really. In one breath you cite the NFL draft but point to WR as a position where he is too loyal...well I would assume you're pointing to last year with Robo and Hartline...but then in the draft they went 2nd and 4th rounds. So you're saying Tressel was too loyal to 2nd and 4th round draft picks over unproven guys? Again, come back with some consistency.
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 9:59 am to
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he didnt just get beat, he was totally embarrassed and out-coached. his team didnt even deserve to be on the same field as fl and lsu. total debacle.


He made it two years in a row is the point.

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ironic, sticking up for a coach for being successful in the big ten. yall do realize how shitty the big ten conference is and how ohio state plays a primarilly big ten/mac schedule.


Sure the SEC was better than the Big 10. It was better than a lot of conferences. Why didn't any other coaches from an 'inferior conference' make it twice in a row? Pete Carroll plays in a REALLY shitty conference, is he a shitty coach?

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especially if that same coach has become notorious for shitting himself in marquee football games (usc, florida, lsu, texas, etc)


Who the hell realistically thought OSU would beat USC?
Florida did beat that arse as did LSU.
Texas? They split the home and home with them losing one to the eventual NC. They were supposed to get beat to hell and back last year and lost by 3. Hardly shitting the bed.

I never said he's the best coach in college, I just said he's a good coach.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 10:02 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 10:03 am to
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And if what you're saying is true shouldn't he get props for the Texas game this past year where we were pretty overmatched and nearly won the game?


you were just as talented. you just fail to see it, because of the stigma associated with ohio state in non-conference games. ohio state had a better nfl draft, then any other team besides usc.

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He is extremely loyal, and it can be a negative


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So you're saying Tressel was too loyal to 2nd and 4th round draft picks over unproven guys?


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come back with some consistency


funny.


anyways, yes hartline should have never been on the field over devier posey. give me a fn break with brian hartline.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 5/8/09 at 10:05 am to
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Pete Carroll plays in a REALLY shitty conference, is he a shitty coach?


lol, wut. that is not the point

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Who the hell realistically thought OSU would beat USC?


95% of the state of ohio, for starters.


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They were supposed to get beat to hell and back last year and lost by 3


if i recall the spread was just ohio state +9

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I never said he's the best coach in college, I just said he's a good coach.


ill give him good coach, im arguing against top 5, let alone top 3. he shouldnt even be mentioned for such a position.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 10:09 am
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29270 posts
Posted on 5/8/09 at 10:09 am to
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lol, wut. that is not the point


So Tressell gets knocked for playing in a shitty conference but Carroll doesn't?

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95% of the state of ohio, for starters.


Because the state of Ohio represents the rest of the nation.

Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45841 posts
Posted on 5/8/09 at 10:12 am to
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you were just as talented. you just fail to see it, because of the stigma associated with ohio state in non-conference games. ohio state had a better nfl draft, then any other team besides usc.


Obviously debatable, but I don't think you can use nfl draft picks of primarily seniors as a measuring stick of how talented one team is versus another. By that argument then OSU was more talented than Florida since we had more people drafted.

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anyways, yes hartline should have never been on the field over devier posey. give me a fn break with brian hartline.


Hey, just using your argument. Our passing game was dreadful last year, no WR was going to be a magic solution, so why add more risk with an unproven WR in that situation.


EDIT: Still waiting to hear how the "top 5 coaches" would have magically won against LSU, Florida, and USC utilizing what Tressel had to work with.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 10:15 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 5/8/09 at 10:13 am to
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So Tressell gets knocked for playing in a shitty conference but Carroll doesn't?


oh geezus frick. carroll has performed well against non-conference opponents. in other words, he has been competitive. therefore, the shitty pac-ten argument is moot. even though the pac ten has been a better conference than the big ten this decade in the first place (obviously)

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